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#21 Re: Hi everyone I’m the new owner of an e type

Post by christopher storey » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:47 am

Don't go sand blasting anything which is sheet metal. The external bodywork consists largely of light unstressed panels, and sandblasting has a tendency to deform the panels . The first thing to do in my book is to sort all the bits out on a clear floor and position all the parts you do have ( including the mechanical parts ) in the positions they would occupy if you were assembling the complete car. That will tell you a great deal about what you do NOT have, which is the key factor in deciding whether this is a viable restoration or not. I suspect also , looking at the cam covers, that you have at least a part engine from the 420G mixed up in all this . Once you have done that you can decide what to do, but I echo the views of others that unless you have a lot of time ( I spent 3500 hours on mine and that was a complete car to start with ) and also a good deal of money - even doing most of the work except welding and painting I spent £45,000 and that was 10 years ago - your sensible option may be to sell this to someone who has the facilities to restore it successfully

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#22 Re: Hi everyone I’m the new owner of an e type

Post by MyDadsJag » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:04 am

Thanks Christopher. That’s sound advice.
I wouldn’t touch the body at all!
That’s my plan then.
Like you said, laying it all out is gonna be fun and time consuming. Although it’s a bit sad. It still feels like I have something precious. I would never sell it as separate parts. It has to be sold as a whole restoration project. I was quoted £60,000 to restore including any missing parts. But I think this is too cheap. I’d be worried that they would take all the original parts for their purest projects. What do I know about anything, if I’m honest!
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#23 Re: Hi everyone I’m the new owner of an e type

Post by 1954Etype » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:09 am

Steve, anyone who is telling you that you can have the car restored for £60k is delusional. Try and sell it to someone who is an enthusiast who will restore the car. Let it go cheaper than market price to the right person (the right person is someone who will cherish and keep the car plus include you in the process). I know how I'd feel if it were my fathers car and couldn't restore it myself!
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#24 Re: Hi everyone I’m the new owner of an e type

Post by mgcjag » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:11 am

Hi Steve...the most important part is the paperwork.......showing the engine, gearbox, body chassis numbers and that you have the actual parts with the numbers on......if you dont sort this then you just have a barn full of parts..search for photos that may show the car....did your dad buy it as a complete car or just a pile of parts...concentrate on this and as Christopher says laying out the parts.....Steve
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#25 Re: Hi everyone I’m the new owner of an e type

Post by Geoff Allam » Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:50 pm

I assume when you say save money you are talking about getting the best price for the car. Someone will buy this car in a heartbeat if it is complete and priced realistically. Your best route requires some space in which to display it and a bit of effort in setting it up. No point in sandblasting. Just wash of any dirt and grime. You need to mock up the car in the centre of your space and assemble all the main components into the general shape of the car. You will need help as some components are heavy. Make sure it is arranged safely and so that buyers can get to it easily. All the other components need to be set out on tables or shelves in a logical order. All the dashboard components on one table etc. Do not just pile stuff into boxes to be pawed through. There will be likely be lots of other jag parts that are not e type. Move them to a separate location. Miscellaneous parts that you cannot identify should all be grouped on a separate table or shelf. Unless the data plate is riveted to that floor section you need to find it and store it and any other documentation in a safe place and display a photocopy. It is probably worthwhile obtaining a heritage certificate and checking if the numbers match your data plate and the body, engine and transmission. That would be a major bonus. If you can enlist the help of a local e-type guy in identifying parts and grouping them it would be invaluable. Well worth some pizza and beer and maybe a gift of some leftover parts. One last thing. Stay with each person looking at the parts. Some original small e type parts are difficult to find and expensive. You don’t want stuff to grow legs. This is the approach I would take and I hope it helps. Good luck.
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Post by MyDadsJag » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:32 pm

I love how organised you seem Geoff. Very informative checklist you set up there. Thanks.
I have to at least try and get some enjoyment out of this. I’ve just priced up some shelving. I’ve already got the makers plate at home. Got my Haynes manual and parts catalogue to categorise and take inventory. Spoke to my mum. To the best of her knowledge, it’s a whole car. She also confirms there was a log book. Can’t confirm matching numbers yet.

Let’s play with the idea that all paperwork is in order and the numbers match the plate and I managed to raise £120K. What’s best case and worst case scenario on the worth factor? I really wanna see this car whole again. I’m becoming quite obsessed with it, if I’m honest.
It’s a 1964 series 1 4.2 FHC RHD. Going by the chassis number compared to the factory output, it was made in October. I was made in October!
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#27 Re: Hi everyone I’m the new owner of an e type

Post by Geoff Allam » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:03 am

I can’t really help you with the value as I am located in Canada and am not that familiar with UK prices other than the impression that they are much higher than on my side of the pond especially for original rhd cars. Interestingly I also have a 1964 rhd fhc. Unfortunately I was made much earlier- in the xk120 years. Makes passing interesting here where we drive on the right hand side of the road. If you are dead set on getting this car on the road go for it but realize that it will be a money pit and you are very unlikely to come out ahead financially. Unless it is your dream car and you plan to keep it a long time think very carefully about going diwn that road. I am in the middle of a restoration of my 1967 ots and it is very expensive even doing all the work myself.
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#28 Re: Hi everyone I’m the new owner of an e type

Post by chrisfell » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:04 am

Steve,

“ What’s best case and worst case scenario on the worth “

Best case, you’ll cover costs when you sell the car and maybe have a few quid left over.
Worst case, money pit! More than one enthusiast has bought a car for restoration only to have to do the job twice or more to correct errors or poor workmanship. As a guide, Jaguar will charge you close to £300k to restore a complete car. Unless it is a very special car, once restored it will sit in a market where the best cars, concours show winners, are worth £125k.

And never forget, at the moment you don’t have a complete car, you have a garage full of car parts.

If I was in your position, I would attempt a home restoration. I know the things I can’t do, and these would be farmed out. I know the things I can do, this is where I would save on the costs of restoration.
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#29 Re: Hi everyone I’m the new owner of an e type

Post by Gfhug » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:41 am

Steve, to add to the very good advice from Geoff and Chris. If you do consider doing some of the work yourself to save money, just appreciate you are talking about many, many man-hours with the need to have a decent workshop/garage to do the work and the knowledge/skill and equipment. Those of us who have done this work can attest to that.

Not trying to put you off, as we all like to see someone like you get their dream on the road.
As advised, get those parts neatly sorted then ask for a properly knowledgeable person to look over what you've got.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

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#30 Re: Hi everyone I’m the new owner of an e type

Post by MyDadsJag » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:55 pm

It’s still early days yet. Realistically, this will most likely be sold as is. I’ve just been watching this guy on YouTube restore his ‘junk e type engine’ Seeing all the specialist tools required is interesting to say the least. I’m pretty handy, very organised and love tinkering. But I won’t kid myself, I’m no mechanic. Certainly wouldn’t want to cause more damage than necessary. I would feel confident cleaning up ‘some’ of the parts. But I do know my limits. It’s been great hearing from everybody. You have all been so helpful. Sorry if I didn’t get back to everyone. Sometimes I would spend 30+mins getting my replies right, only to realise it didn’t post.
I.E. Julian’s reply, so thanks Julian, some really helpful words there. I will most certainly be back to pick all your brains in the near future.

Thanks

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#31 Re: Hi everyone I’m the new owner of an e type

Post by ralphr1780 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:27 pm

Wow Steve, I understand your enthusiasm and excitement.
Much valuable advice has been given above by the wise fellows.
If I may, would just add that you need to weigh in also your family situation: such projects can make or break a couple.
Good luck in which ever direction you take.
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#32 Re: Hi everyone I’m the new owner of an e type

Post by MyDadsJag » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:53 pm

They are the wisest words Ralph. Hope you didn’t learn this the hard way.
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#33 Re: Hi everyone I’m the new owner of an e type

Post by Durango2k » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:31 am

When it comes to money, I am restoring my S1 on a shoestring. Not literally but really.

I am now well below 28 tsd Euros, which includes the car itself at about 7 tsd. What it needs is that you save any item, and it takes aeons, not ages, this way. Really, we‘re talking 12 yrs or so, because there are no shortcuts, then.

Example - you arrive at the alternator. It looks shabby, rusty, and you need to do something. My approach is a local car parts store, source the coals, buy the bearings online, dismantle it, file and fit lorry coals to it because originals cannot be found, fit bearings, paint it and test it, next item. Takes a month or more. Lots of organizing. Total cost maybe 15 Euros.

The expensive 100 k way is to find the part number, throw your 1964 alternator in the bin, buy a new one made in the midlands, and fit it. Takes a week, but costs another 3- 400. And the soul of the car vanishes in the mail orders...

If you think through the whole car this way, any item, being it interior or heater valve, bonnet centre or rear light centre contact pin (Which I restored and saved using pertinax from an old radio platina and a hand file and a dremel...), you get it.

Labour of love as Chris Rooke wrote, well worth it.

I recommend two books: Zen or the art of maintaining a motor cycle, and Chris Rookes book about his resto. Do not order them new, look second hand on ebay, save the money, invest it in parts...

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#34 Re: Hi everyone I’m the new owner of an e type

Post by Mark Gordon » Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:59 pm

Excellent perspective, Carsten. As I recently heard a home built airplane pilot say, you can have it fast, cheap or good. You get to choose two of the three, but not all three. In your case, you have obviously chosen the latter two and I salute you! A friend of mine chose to prove the exception to the rule; he chose slow, excellent and $$$$$. He farmed his out to White Post Restorations and is getting a potentional national concours winner.
You went into this project with considerable automotive experience which made your path feasible. Our OP has acknowledged his limited experience, particularly with E Types. I would only caution him that when I set about with my engine rebuild and clutch replacement, I had very limited experience in applying a wrench to an engine. With the help of this forum and J-L plus local friends' advice and occasional hands on, I was able to complete what is now a very dependable driver (which also does well in local shows) and in the process gained a much greater understanding of the E, how it works and how to trouble shoot and fix problems. As an added bonus, I really enjoyed the process. Don't be too quick to sell yourself short, Thim.
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#35 Re: Hi everyone I’m the new owner of an e type

Post by E600 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:48 pm

Possibly from the seats showing side chromes a S1 2+2?

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