Built by Many

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#21 Re: Built by Many

Post by paulsco » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:36 am

I don’t think Stuart was rubbishing SNG parts, he was simply saying that a lot of replacement parts are far from perfect.
Having personally rebuilt my E, I would completely agree with that.
In some instances I have bought new parts and found them unusable and had to revert to the less than perfect originals.

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#22 Re: Built by Many

Post by 265bhp » Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:25 pm

Completely agree on the replace versus refurbish approach...simply replacing is missing the point....

Good luck with restoring...it’s worth it....oh and the old parts fit better too... 8-)

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#23 Re: Built by Many

Post by Barry » Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:00 pm

Refurbish every time. Aftermarket parts are, for the most part, just plain rubbish!

Sorry guys but Carsten, and certainly I was responsding to the comment above. Of course, refurbish if you can, or are able to, it’s your choice, but to completely rubbish manufacturer and suppliers of classic Jaguar spare parts with the comment above is totally unnecessary. The point is this; if you can’t refurbish, if that is your preference, then you are a bit stuck! You have to buy replacement parts, and thank the lord there are people like SNG who are around to to do it, and striving to make the best they can, and mostly, at an affordable price.

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#24 Re: Built by Many

Post by cactusman » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:23 pm

Well said Barry.....from my experience SNGB )and all others i have dealt with) are very keen to address any issues and most of the bits i have bought...and there have been a lot :bigrin: ....have been just fine....without the SNGB's and Dave Manners etc running an e type would be very much harder....
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#25 Re: Built by Many

Post by 265bhp » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:43 pm

Barry

There’s nothing implied in my post about the approach and service from SNG, they are often at the mercy of their suppliers...there are enough threads to that effect already on the forum
My point is the principle that refurbishment keeps more of the car, and someone like Edd is definately capable of dealing with all manner of challenges

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#26 Re: Built by Many

Post by Series1 Stu » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:30 pm

Thanks for the savaging, Barry. I didn't realise I wasn't entitled to an opinion.

Carsten/Barry. I never singled out any parts supplier with my remarks. My comments are based on personal experiences of trying to use aftermarket parts. The truth is that a lot of items supplied are of inferior quality to what came off the car and you can spend as much time making new parts fit as you would repairing the original parts.

Yes, I know the parts specialists enable us to keep using our cars but they could put more effort into making them fit properly in the first place.

Pricing? Well, we all need to make money to stay in business but sometimes the prices charged are unjustifiable. I bought headlamp gaskets for my car which turned out to be available from Triumph specialists at a third of the price.

If it's at all possible to repair then I would do so by preference.

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#27 Re: Built by Many

Post by Robbiee » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:35 am

I think we’re lucky to have so many choices: clean, refurbish, recondition, replace.
The effort and drive to improve spare parts quality is evident
This is all about enjoyment of these wonderful bits of British heritage

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#28 Re: Built by Many

Post by lee-type » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:51 am

Can we get back to talking about the show please.

I wander who is going to do the body work?

Im getting the feeling that Edd will hardly get involved.
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#29 Re: Built by Many

Post by Tom W » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:19 am

I enjoyed the first show. It seems to have a good level of technical detail. Plus, there’s non of the childish presenting, or false jeopardy regarding deadlines or turning a profit, that so often seems to afflict car restoration programmes.
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#30 Re: Built by Many

Post by Richardhealey » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:41 am

Couldn’t have put it better Tom!
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#31 Re: Built by Many

Post by Durango2k » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:26 pm

Yes, thats right.

I sometimes watch Car SOS, but must say that the deadline scheme and them trying to „rob“ suppliers is not a part I like. But if it is true what they do - restore cars to make people happy who lost a family member and it was his car or helping finishing of a project one could finish for health reasons, then it‘s more then fine.

Waaay better then Brewer‘s greedy eyes.

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#32 Re: Built by Many

Post by christopher storey » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:49 pm

Car SOS is terrible rubbish. The mechanic fellow is OK but the sidekick ( Tim someone or other ) makes you cringe . It is, however, as nothing compared with the dreadfulness of one on another channel ( ITV ? , Ch4 ? ) with Bernie and Mario or some names like that. This Built by Many thing seems alright in contrast so far, although the sound quality was appalling in places and they will need to tackle this properly if the episodes are to be of lasting value , and I thought Julian Barratt was very trusting lending his lovely OTS to the chap who kept doing pieces to camera when he should have been looking at the road, and drove along with the choke out most or possibly all of the time!

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#33 Re: Built by Many

Post by Durango2k » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:40 pm

Yeah, that „Tim“ is hard to cope with. Fuzz is ok.

My point of view was „overall“ - its ok. As you said, compaired to the recent Brewer and even more to the Barnie / Mario... you are right.


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#34 Re: Built by Many

Post by alastair_james_cox » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:38 am

Hi all and many thanks for the feedback. All good!

Next month we'll be continuing the restore vs replace theme and Barbary Hill and William Heynes will be helping us to go through the car to see what we can retain from an originality POV.

The plan is to record one video per month with supporting videos on the side, so there's time in between to debate and plan ahead.

The pace won't be for everyone and there won't be any late nights, impossible deadlines, blagging from suppliers or storming out of the workshop.

Fingers crossed there's enough interest on the subject matter, companies and contributors.

Thanks again to Julian and the team too. The driving shots in 50EE were all shot 'first thing' on back roads near the E-Type Club but good spot on the choke!

There are lots of takeouts of me staling the car on a damp morning and fluffing my lines. Filming yourself is a humbling undertaking.

If you've been in touch directly through the info@ email I'll be getting into emails towards the back end of the week too and thanks again for watching!

Best, Al

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#35 Re: Built by Many

Post by Heuer » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:01 am

Good first episode Al - enjoyed it!

Episode 1:


In suggesting using new parts SNGB Peter was very balanced in saying preservation was good but it depended on budget and timescales. Restoring original bits such as the heater box is time consuming but then fettling reproduction parts to fit can be frustrating at times.

As regards upgrades they can be a real nightmare as you embark on a 'game of consequences' having to change further things to compensate for the previous changes. I speak from experience having started with a heavily upgraded car and, based on 50,000 miles of touring, gradually put things back to the way Jaguar intended. My advice to anyone is forget about upgrades until you have driven your newly restored car and then consider what deficiencies there are, if any. In fact that could be the subject of some follow up episodes. :idea:

Angus has just returned from a 1,200 mile continental trip in his very original 1967 FHC and was saying what a phenomenally capable car the E-Type is without the need for upgrades - it is still running with contact breaker ignition. Original paint and only maintenance replacement parts - wonderful:

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Go and ask to drive it Al!
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#36 Re: Built by Many

Post by dal2.0litrefrogeye » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:37 pm

I've just watched it and so far so good ( mind you anything E Type is good )
Looking forward to watching the nitty gritty strip down ...... God I'm glad mine is finished ..... ish :bigrin:
Its a way of life not a hobby

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#37 Re: Built by Many

Post by Jeremy » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:26 am

Very enjoyable first episode!
I would support David's point about originality. I recently completed a 3 year restoration of my first and only E type, and have also had the privilege of driving Angus's lovely original. One of the things that continues to bowl me over about this car is how phenomenally good it is to drive, in virtually standard form, 51 years on. I simply cannot imagine how it must have felt back in the 60s. Smooth, incredibly torquey engine, beautifully light and responsive steering with no power assistance, sure-footed on the road... My respect for the engineers who designed and developed this amazing car with relatively limited resources is huge.
Looking forward to seeing the story unfold!
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#38 Re: Built by Many

Post by alastair_james_cox » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:26 pm

Many thanks for all the feedback.

We're just editing Episode 2 now and all being well we should have this with you on Friday PM. After that our next deadline is to be on the SNG Barratt stand at the Classic Motor Show on the 9th, 10th and 11th of November. For the strip down we're planning a time lapse video and hope to leave the bonnet, doors and tailgate on, with the car up on a trolley.

Timings are tight but we'd also like to create a playlist of 'strip down tips' as we go along and attribute these to each contributor so we can start getting people involved.

e.g. Mark you torsion bars left / right and mark their position on the mounting brackets
e.g. Bag and label parts as you go along using the J.37 parts manual and mark restore / replace

If you'd like to be involved please share your tips below and if we can get enough together to make it an interesting playlist we'll put it together .... and if everyone's happy we'll credit the forum and members.

Hope to see a few of you at the NEC too and once we're back ... maybe have an open day to come see the car and have a coffee?

Best, Al

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#39 Re: Built by Many

Post by mystery type » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:37 pm

please share your tips below
Take as many digital pictures as you can before item removal and strip down, these will become invaluable
as time passes and your memory fades!
Never throw away the old part until it has been "compared" to the replacement item. :fingerscrossed:
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#40 Re: Built by Many

Post by Heuer » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:46 pm

Actually you should never throw away any of the old parts until you have driven and owned the car for 5 years!
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