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#1 No Registration Documents

Post by thermojac » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:39 pm

Hi,

I have the opportunity to get my hands on a Series II 2+2 but there is no paperwork or reg number with it. The only info available are the engine and gearbox numbers. Is this going to cause me a heap of pain or is there a way of getting a heritage certificate and registration docs?

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JAC
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#2 Re: No Registration Documents

Post by phil.dobson@mac.com » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:33 am

Everything is possible but there is an associated risk with this. If you have any of the numbers you could search on XK data to determine if a car already exists an thus yours might be a collection of bits and not necessarily able to get it registered.

Depending on the price i would question the need to pursue a car like this when this model is readily available
with the proper docs.

Just my opinion.

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#3 Re: No Registration Documents

Post by mgcjag » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:39 am

Hi JAC.. Welcom to the forum.....have to agree with Phil above......if you have the details the forum can help you search for information...a photo of the car and the engine gearbox numbers will help.....is the car in the UK.....Steve
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#4 Re: No Registration Documents

Post by thermojac » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:48 am

Thanks Steve & Phil for replies. I haven't seen the car yet but it is in the UK and RHD. Seemingly half way through a refurbish project and now has no time so all in bits. The attraction for me was that the bodywork is done and now needs all the mechanicals sorted but can't afford time and money if not recognise as genuine at the end.
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#5 Re: No Registration Documents

Post by mgcjag » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:04 pm

If the car is advertised then give us a link to look at.....dont worry about someone jumping it to snap it from you they would probably have already seen is.......purchasing a vehicle thats been taken apart can be hard on the pocket....you need to ensure that nothing is missing.......if its an import that was brought in to restore then it probably wont be registered with our dvla yet....but it should have its import documentation which will be needed to register it....there are others on the forum who have imported and will give you more detail...but look up what do i need to register an import....Steve
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#6 Re: No Registration Documents

Post by christopher storey » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:04 pm

There are far too many stolen E types around for this to be a safe buy . A car is without identity for a reason : usually it's a clone of an existing car, or a bitsa collection , or an illegal import , no NOVA etc- even when RHD , or a disguised LHD to RHD conversion . Whatever the situation, getting it UK registered in the present climate is likely to be well nigh impossible, and there is always the risk that you will lose the lot if the car or the components turn out to be stolen

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#7 Re: No Registration Documents

Post by thermojac » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:14 pm

That is my biggest concern Christopher; losing it all. Here is the link Steve and trusting the integrity of the forum
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAGUAR-E-TYP ... 1438.l2649

eBay item number:323566211294
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Post by cactusman » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:16 pm

I agree with Chris...avoid....plenty more about. It has no id for a reason and there can be no good reason.
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#9 Re: No Registration Documents

Post by mgcjag » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:35 pm

Hi JAC.......I had already see this on ebay.......it is worth looking at.......but without any paperwork then walk away... I would visit and get the full story of how it was purchased and imported....it mentions a new front end...assume this meens the frames that should have a chassis number stamped on it...does he still have the old frames with the number on........all depends how much time you want to invest to find out if its genuine.....Steve
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#10 Re: No Registration Documents

Post by thermojac » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:57 pm

Registered your thoughts Julian and thanks for that.
Interested to understand why you think/know it is an import Steve? It is a long shot but if he has the chassis number somewhere, can you get all the relevant paperwork resurrected from those 3 numbers (engine, gearbox, chassis)?
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#11 Re: No Registration Documents

Post by mgcjag » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:08 pm

Hi JAC...sent you a PM.....i dont think or know if its an import....but if it is then thats possibly a reason why its not registered with our dvla....Steve
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Post by phil.dobson@mac.com » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:27 pm

I have also seen this on ebay. I don't linger when it I got to the no docs bit. But I also thought it was too expensive. The trouble with a completed bodyshell is that you don't know the 'how and the who'. Alignment is critical. And, as has been mentioned you wont now if you have all the bits, and not all of the bits are available. (and parts are soo expensive these daze!)

I have imported cars from the USA without much trouble in the past but I have been helped by the dealers in the US. However I understand that the DVLA has tightened procedures recently.

Ultimately most sales include an element of trust. A visit will at least allow you to assess the seller. However once you see it you will run the risk of convincing yourself its a good prospect.

Walk away. A better car ALWAYS comes along.

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#13 Re: No Registration Documents

Post by Red Kite » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:24 pm

It says.. THIS IS A BUILD FROM SCATCH AND THIS CAR HAS NO LOG BOOK AND THE CHASSIS TAG ROTTED

It doesnt say this is a rebuild, so could be just a collection of parts bolted together ? I wouldnt touch it.
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#14 Re: No Registration Documents

Post by thermojac » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:11 pm

Thanks for all your feedback guys and I think I have got the message to walk away.........however, curiosity remains and I had already agreed to talk to the guy tomorrow when he returns from Germany so I shall end the thread tomorrow with an attempt at getting some idea of where it came :Scotland: from.
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Post by abowie » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:33 pm

It is not cheap for what is there and there is still a lot of money to be spent before you have a driveable car. Quotes like "motor ran when disassembled" and "all the hard work is done" should always ring bells.

The lack of any identification numbers or paperwork makes it a registration nightmare and I suspect that this is a major factor in the seller's motivation to quit the car. At best it will be very difficult to register and at worst it could conceivably be impounded if the authorities suspect it may be stolen.

Personally I'd be looking elsewhere. Ideally you want to buy a complete car if at all possible. A stalled restoration can be attractive because they can sometimes be quite cheap but you must have good provenance and all the necessary documentation.
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Post by Philk » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:13 am

I too would be very concerned on this. Where is the commission/data plate? - these things don't normally rot away. If the car has been imported, does it have the original title docs with it? At the end of the day, it would definitely be in the seller's interest to have as much documentation and data available in order to enhance the sale value. If there is none, I would walk away.
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Post by malcolm » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:15 pm

I liked his statement on the description "No silly questions by email" - such as "is it legit" maybe?

Interestingly, the car is 10 minutes down the road from me.
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Post by Red Kite » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:05 pm

Google the mobile number..... a dealer
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Post by GSR 54D » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:36 pm

Just googled mobile number and this advert came up, yet another car with no logbook or numbers, quote "don't email silly questions" again.

http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=797&country=uk
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#20 Re: No Registration Documents

Post by thermojac » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:48 pm

He is a bit of a wheeler dealer as he seems to be breaking a Mclaren MP4 12-C amongst a load of other cars he is selling. Are you considering going to have a look Malcolm?
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