Oil cooler position

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#1 Oil cooler position

Post by dal2.0litrefrogeye » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:52 pm

Hi all just thinking ahead ??? I'm pretty sure I'll be ok

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But where I've positioned oil cooler won't be in way of hinging of bonnet or bonnet furniture when it's closed ???

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#2 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by johnetype » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:00 pm

Have a look at this thread which will help you:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11265
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#3 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by alfred » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:32 pm

that's where I have mine - only centred in front of the rad.
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#4 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by 288gto » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:14 am

Way too big that oil cooler mate, you'll never close the boot let alone the bonnet.

John has posted a link to a really informative, well written thread with very nice detailed pics of how it should be done and the correct size of oil cooler.

:lol: :lol:


To all but my good friend Darren please ignore the above, except the bit about the informative well written thread. :lol:


Edit.

On a serious note, I now remember why I raised mine up a bit. Check that the lower valance doesn't restrict the air flow through it or are you putting extra ducting in?

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#5 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by MarkRado » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:23 am

On my 3.8 I had to cut the stonemesh and mount it further to the front after installing a fan (8cm deep) on the front of the radiator. You can see the 3 original mounting positions (one screw missing)
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#6 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by phil.dobson@mac.com » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:46 am

Not wanting to stir up a hornets nest but why do you think you need an oil cooler?

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#7 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by 1954Etype » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:31 am

You beat me to it Phil!
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#8 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by 288gto » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:01 am

Mine is only because I thought it looked good and Uryk has one on his.

Darren's however I suspect will have red hot oil coursing through it while the car spits flames and is bouncing off the rev limiter.

:lol:


For anyone fitting an oil cooler the routing of the pipes is the hard part especially if you go for JIC 12. Less than this can actually restrict the flow of oil according to Rob Beere. The filter head I used is an XJ6 Series 3 one as supplied by Rob. Again Rob advised caution with some of the aftermarket sandwich plates and filter housings as they can also restrict flow.

Uryk's approach.

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#9 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by ralphr1780 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:14 am

phil.dobson@mac.com wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:46 am
Not wanting to stir up a hornets nest but why do you think you need an oil cooler?
Maybe to reduce fresh air flow to the radiator and justify the need for a stronger cooling fan :shrug:
Just teasing of course...
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#10 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by 288gto » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:40 am

ralphr1780 wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:14 am
phil.dobson@mac.com wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:46 am
Not wanting to stir up a hornets nest but why do you think you need an oil cooler?
Maybe to reduce fresh air flow to the radiator and justify the need for a stronger cooling fan :shrug:
Just teasing of course...

That's it Ralph! I knew there was a reason for fitting the uprated fans.

Gratuitous photo...

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Poor Angus must despair everytime I mention what I've done. :lol:
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#11 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by 1954Etype » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:56 am

LOL. No, not at all. It is always interesting to see what people do to their cars and I have loads of mods on mine. Having restored a couple of cars now, I am more and more convinced that in their standard form, they were as good as it gets for fast road use. You have to balance off driveability, reliability, comfort etc which is why I wouldn't fit really wild cams, straight through exhaust and other mods that are only really useful if you use the car for posing. (Personally E Types should be seen and not heard in my view but I know loads of people wouldn't agree with that).

I know people who have fitted wild cams only to discover that they couldn't drive the thing in traffic. Is an oil cooler really needed on a road car? Why add more potential failure points? What happens if the oil never reaches optimum temperature? You could be asking for trouble.

In summary, I think the factory got it right. ;)
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#12 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by Series1 Stu » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:18 am

I think you're right Angus. Let's face it, Jaguar had a development phase in designing and building these cars that, despite famously being done on shoestring budgets, were far more all-embracing than anything we as enthusiasts can achieve.

Yes, compromises have to be made but these are done with a view to best overall driving experience.

If I was planning long high speed runs on a race track then maybe I'd fit an oil cooler.

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#13 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by chrisfell » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:26 am

I feel the need to edit Angus's post...
"Personally E Types should be seen and not heard in my view...."

That's better.
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#14 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by 288gto » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:38 am

Thanks Angus,
1954Etype wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:56 am

What happens if the oil never reaches optimum temperature? You could be asking for trouble.
Hopefully that's the advantage of the Rob Beere XJ6 S3 oil filter housing, it has a built in stat. Again, do I actually need an oil cooler, probably not, but when I look through the mouth of my bonnet and glimpse some stainless hoses and aeroquip unions, I'll get a warm fuzzy feeling. :lol:

Hopefully not from standing in a pool of oil.

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#15 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by 1954Etype » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:45 am

Still think I'm right Chris ;) I have customers who say 'I want a straight through exhaust as I love the sound of Sir Williams 6th symphony etc etc'. Despite my protestations, we fit one. The first long journey they do completely reverses their decision!

And Simon, from an engineering perspective, they do look great, all these mods (I have just fitted the Mangoletsi throttle pedal upgrade and it is a thing of beauty). Oh and Themostat on the oil filter housing? Just more to go wrong......;)
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#16 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by Heuer » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:06 am

Had an oil cooler and took it off because a) it made no difference to performance/engine temps and b) it failed on a trip through Germany dumping oil on the road. Just another point of failure for zero benefit.
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#17 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by dal2.0litrefrogeye » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:27 am

Hi all cheers for advice ...... reason for cooler ??? Because it looks good .... I'm not even going to pipe it up :lol:
No in all seriousness I'm building the car to be used in competition .... road legal yes ! .... but still being used for sprints. And hill climbs , with the view to race , both Tim at VSE and Chris at CKL advised to have one for competition use , I may even fit acusump system too at a later date
I would of looked on my wife's car to see what the available space is , but it's all tucked up in it's carcoon at the moment
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#18 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by Gfhug » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:10 pm

Darren, I was half expecting "handbags at dawn" between you and Simon for the comments he made at your expense :lol: It's one of the great things about this forum that we can have good fun at the same time as passing on advice.

I would agree to Angus's comment about exhausts, a friend has admitted his straight through exhaust means he cruises at 60mph otherwise it's too loud.

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#19 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by dal2.0litrefrogeye » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:40 am

Hi Geoff , I wouldn't have been " handbags at dawn " with Simon........ I haven't got a handbag .... but Simon might have one , he is building a convertable E :lol: :lol:
As far as exhaust goes mine shouldn't be too loud , but having said that my car isn't built for comfort , I'm expecting it to be noisy but hopfylly not to warm ( iv got a few ideas about taking engine heat away from car ??? )
And if we want to go in comfort ...... we take Tracey s S1 coupe 8-)
Or real comfort the Corvette now that is one fast armchair :bigrin:
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#20 Re: Oil cooler position

Post by PeterCrespin » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:32 am

dal2.0litrefrogeye wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:27 am
Hi..... I'm building the car to be used in competition .... road legal yes ! .... but still being used for sprints. And hill climbs , with the view to race....
I’d say it depends on the type of competition. The wonderful sound you hear in the paddock at sprints and hill climbs is the sound of owners trying to get some heat into the oil. Unlike the autobahn or circuit racing, the short runs themselves are not enough to get the oil properly up to temp, never mind need a cooler.

I am intrigued by the suggestion that S3 XJ filter blocks have a thermostat. I’ve fitted a few and never knew that. I’ll investigate...
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