Where do those alloy shields go ?

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#1 Where do those alloy shields go ?

Post by Durango2k » Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:56 pm

... Final bits to fit: were do these go ?

I think the long ones are torsion bar shields ? I even have the original rough cloth bands somewhere which were glued on the back side... a bit like seat belt stuff.

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The lowest picture shows the 7 large and 3 small alloy clamps I have left.

What bolt size do I need for them ? I have no small bolts left, so I need another 15 or so of that specific size.

Carsten
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#2 Re: Where do those alloy shields go ?

Post by Mich7920 » Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:07 pm

Hi Carsten,
You need 1/4 UNF x 5/8
Dowload the SC part catalogue there is nearly all the nuts and bolt used on an E Type.
Very usefull
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#3 Re: Where do those alloy shields go ?

Post by tim wood » Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:10 pm

And somewhere on the web is a layout showing which of the alloy brackets fits which shield.
Darned if I can think where it is - maybe the blog by Chris Vine
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#4 Re: Where do those alloy shields go ?

Post by Durango2k » Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:15 pm

I found this SNG diagram, this solves most of the puzzle:

https://www.sngbarratt.com/de/#!/Deutsc ... Motorhaube

Seems the inspection plate changed over the years, the SNG drawing shows a different version.

But lucky me, all parts are there, and original. I‘ll brush them with a wire brush, clean and re-paint in black.

Carsten
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#5 Re: Where do those alloy shields go ?

Post by Mich7920 » Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:20 pm

This could help you also as it help me !

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#6 Re: Where do those alloy shields go ?

Post by PeterCrespin » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:15 am

Durango2k wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:15 pm
Seems the inspection plate changed over the years, the SNG drawing shows a different version
That’s because you are looking at a diagram for a different car.

If you want to identify accurately 2+2 parts you should look in your 2+2 parts book. The undershields are different because of the lower LWB floors.

There is some good news though: you can enjoy a lot of legitimate hammer time making those panels smooth and straight again. :hammer:

It’s great to hear you are almost finished and will be able to enjoy the E-type on the road at last with Suzanne and Felix (hoffentlich). I will always smile at the leitmotif of your restoration, which sounds like an epic Hollywood film: “The hammer and the book.”
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#7 Re: Where do those alloy shields go ?

Post by Durango2k » Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:09 am

... Oh I wish SNG would use the proper diagramms, then ?

Imagine buying sausage on display in a local market and they hand over some cheese...wrong diagramm :bigrin:

Main target is now my 48th birthday. Being born just 2 days before Jim Morrison left forever makes this ... err.... the 1st of Juli.... this should be it...

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#8 Re: Where do those alloy shields go ?

Post by PeterCrespin » Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:14 pm

Durango2k wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:09 am
... Oh I wish SNG would use the proper diagramms, then ?
Imagine buying sausage on display in a local market and they hand over some cheese...wrong diagramm :bigrin:
Very true. But imagine owning Jim's artwork and lyrics for the song "J38 in 2+2 time" and the Bild free Doors poster shows 'J30''..... wrong number but you don't expect Egon Muller at Nordsee. :bigrin: :bigrin:

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#9 Re: Where do those alloy shields go ?

Post by Durango2k » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:00 pm

Maybe it is a silly question, but - does the lower L part of the torsion bar shields face outwards ?

Seen from the drivers seat, it would be that : _I Engine sump here I_ ?

This would mean the torsion bars are in fact free - and the frame is shielded of from the torsion bars (or did the think stones come from the wheels but not from below ? Why not I_ _ I ?

If you look at the one long original TBS above, it must be the RH part. Look at the grime, you can see the imprint of the cloth. And this presses against the lower frame, and the cutout must be at the front. So this is the RH part. The L is then facing outwards.

I am missing the LH rear part. And the LH under battery part.

The one with the round 2 inch cutout goes in front of the air intake trumpets according to the Chris Vine resto page.

Would you fit a long LH part (I have fitted standard downpipes, not the 2+2 siamesed system) ?

And finally, I would love to be able to identify this item :


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Maybe it is the lower „radiator protection shield“ ?

Carsten
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#10 Re: Where do those alloy shields go ?

Post by Tom W » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:30 pm

That looks like the bit that fits between the radiator and the bonnet pivot tube, albeit slightly mangled.
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#11 Re: Where do those alloy shields go ?

Post by Durango2k » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:58 pm

Oh I have a wide assortment of hammers for this purpose.... ;-)

Thanks - I will fit it there.

Then, the rear LH TBS is no longer available at SNG. Does anyone have an idea where to find it ?

I thought about buying the long FHC, non 2+2- Version, because I have a standard exhaust- it should fit. If not, I can still cut so it would be "as the shortened version".

Carsten
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#12 Re: Where do those alloy shields go ?

Post by AshM » Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:32 pm

Carsten

My brackets and alloy plates are all off the car whilst I restore the front end awaiting the engine back.

I have a large collection of photographs of the bracket positioning for the torsion bar protection plates plus the ‘floors’ too.

Also loads of notes on where each bracket goes.

Happy to prepare a portfolio of photos and accompanying notes if it helps.

PM me if you need anything.

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#13 Re: Where do those alloy shields go ?

Post by Lemans88 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:50 pm

Fitted shiny stainless steel ones on my series 3 25 years ago & they look as good as new.

Wasted all that time scrubbing rust, repainting etc before it dawned on me to fit everlasting replacements!

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