S1 4.2 help

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#1 S1 4.2 help

Post by phoenix » Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:40 am

Help I am a novice to E types. I am building an S1 4.2 and I need an oil filter for it. It has a spin on conversion.
Also where do the two underbody heatshields fit . There will be many more questions I am sure.
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#2 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by mgcjag » Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:58 pm

Lots of info here on spin on filters. .....could depend on what spin on adaptor you have as its not standard to your car http://forum.etypeuk.com/viewtopic.php? ... 21cf479974 http://forum.etypeuk.com/viewtopic.php? ... 9d4aa159cf
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#3 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by christopher storey » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:57 pm

The filter canister will have a type number on it somewhere. If you get the name of the manufacturer e.g. Fram or Crosland and the filter number and take it to an accessory shop they will have a cross-referencing catalogue

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#4 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by MSM » Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:38 pm

Bryan

The larger under body heat shield fits above the two central silencers. The smaller one fits alongside the bell housing and under the gearbox. The exhaust system needs to be off the car before you can fit them.
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#5 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by phoenix » Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:31 pm

Now I have another problem. I stated to fit the pedal box supplied . It is half aluminium casting and half pressed steel .But when trying to fit the master cylinder it fouls the cradle . what am I doing wrong ?. Next how do you mount the rear exhaust shield .It has no predrilled holes.
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#6 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by Mich7920 » Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:02 pm

Hi
It could help you
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There's also something you must do :
Read, re-read and re-re-re read the service manual and parts catalogue before any job on the car.
http://forum.etypeuk.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=700

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#7 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by Gfhug » Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:13 pm

Mich7920 wrote:
Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:02 pm

There's also something you must do :
Read, re-read and re-re-re read the service manual and parts catalogue before any job on the car.
http://forum.etypeuk.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=700

Mich
Well said Mich, and as Heuer states you must have your own copy of the manual, using the tech section one for ready reference in the garage.

This is the manual, do you have one?


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#8 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by phoenix » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:41 am

Sorry Mich my s1 is RHD. The clutch housing and the accelerator are cast aluminium and the brake is pressed steel . I bought the brake housing from a well known, supplier it has two holes for the brake cylinder (neither are a good fit with the cylinder) but offering up cylinder when the housing on the bodywork it fouls the frame using either hole. I am not sure I have been sent the correct part. I will investigate further and get someone else to make sure I am not being an idiot . While using the manual it doesn't always explain things very well .I to go onto You Tube to find out how to install the wiper rack .
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#9 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by mgcjag » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:02 pm

If you post photos of what you have it may help...Steve
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#10 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by phoenix » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:45 pm

I have got mount from another supplier and its very different so I will try it tomorrow. One more to ask how do I mount the heat shields under the car. The front one has 3 brackets but the rear has none. Just had a difficult job getting the upper rear fulcrum mounts in. I think a combination of a well painted frame and new bushes .
Put the wiper rack in yesterday and I was glad I watched a tutorial on You Tube still a horrible job. Was going to mount gear box to engine today but found out we have a 3.8 spinner (or driven) plate that will not fit the splines on the box. I don't know if we can get away with just a different plate . The spinner says 3.8 on it but is the pressure plate the same they are both 9 1/2 inch.
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#11 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by MSM » Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:14 am

Rear heat shield is held on with 8 pop rivets.
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#12 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by phoenix » Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:36 am

Thanks, I did see the holes in the aluminium but not through the asbestos substitute and I thought it may be something like that .All the manuals you can read don't tell you about this sort of thing . Thank goodness for the forum.
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#13 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by mgcjag » Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:52 am

Hi...We do like to be friendly here...i have asked on your other posts if you can add your name and car model to the sinature area..thanks....re the clutch.....fit a complete new unit......pay attention to the release bearing there are different sizes....check operation befor re installing into the car...Steve
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#14 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by paulsco » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:48 am

My centre heat shield was fitted with screws. I refitted the original, so the holes are in the correct places, although I cannot say if the fixings should originally be pop rivets or screws.


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#15 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by MSM » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:56 am

paulsco wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:48 am
My centre heat shield was fitted with screws. I refitted the original, so the holes are in the correct places, although I cannot say if the fixings should originally be pop rivets or screws.
The parts list says pop rivets but no reason why you should not use self tappers if you prefer.

Useful photo for Pheonix to show the location.
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#16 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by phoenix » Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:08 pm

New brake master cylinder mount from a different supplier fits . I don't know what Jag the other one is for but its going back . Regarding the clutch, we received the engine with the clutch already mounted. It was only because it had been on the engine for 10 years or more (new) that we decided to make sure it had not seized on . luckily we tried to fit it on the splines and it would have been a disaster if we had just tried to attach to the gearbox.
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#17 Re: S1 4.2 help Bryan

Post by phoenix » Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:57 pm

More questions . I want to fit a capillary oil pressure gauge as well as the warning light switch . Where is the hole in the block for this and will I need a T piece . When we came to mate gearbox to engine we found we had a 3.8 spinner or driven plate (91/2 inch) . Is the 4.2 version of the 3 piece clutch the same apart from the mentioned driven plate. Thanks Bryan.
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#18 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by christopher storey » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:25 pm

Your 9.5 inch clutch plate is in fact from a 4.2, and I imagine you will find that the clutch cover is a diaphragm type rather than the old spring type which was fitted to 3.8 cars, with a 10 inch plate. For a mechanical oil gauge, the usual place to fit it is into the oil gallery which runs the whole length of the right hand side of the engine at the level of the oil filter . There are about 4 plugs in this so you are spoilt for choice, and you should not need a T piece

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#19 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by mgcjag » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:35 pm

Bryan as i posted above there are different release bearings.....basically different depths from pivot point to contact face......you also said your drive plate would not fit on the gearbox splines.....a photo of what you have may help.....Steve
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#20 Re: S1 4.2 help

Post by phoenix » Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:58 am

The spinner plate actually says 3.8 on it . I will try it again Tomorrow and take a photo. Thanks Bryan
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