Cylinder head paint

Talk about the E-Type Series 1
User avatar

Topic author
peters3103
Posts: 130
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:25 am
Location: Canberra Australia
Australia

#1 Cylinder head paint

Post by peters3103 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:13 pm

Hi
I’m wanting to buy a suitable quantity of pumpkin coloured paint for my cylinder head. Any suggestions of where to obtain?
I note SCP have 473ml can available but at £167 plus postage to Australia I’ll keep looking.

Cheers
Pete
November 61 flat floor FHC 885175
1999 XKR Coupe

Link:
BBcode:
HTML:
Hide post links
Show post links

User avatar

Mich7920
Posts: 408
Joined: Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:43 pm
Location: France
France

#2 Re: Cylinder head paint

Post by Mich7920 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:36 am

Hi Peter,

I used OMP high temp. The gold color is perfect for the cylinder head.
Hope you have it in Australia

Mich
Michel
1963 E Type OTS - Angus Restoration
1965 E Type FHC - Front Restoration

Link:
BBcode:
HTML:
Hide post links
Show post links


1954Etype
Moderator
Posts: 2286
Joined: Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:32 pm
Contact:
Great Britain

#3 Re: Cylinder head paint

Post by 1954Etype » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:59 am

Ah Monsieur Mich, he is not looking for Gold - he wants Pumpkin (unless Pumpkin is the same for Gold in French) :bigrin:
Angus 65 OTS 1E11497. 67 FHC 1E33656

Link:
BBcode:
HTML:
Hide post links
Show post links

User avatar

Mich7920
Posts: 408
Joined: Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:43 pm
Location: France
France

#4 Re: Cylinder head paint

Post by Mich7920 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:10 am

Ok Ok Angus, I make a mistake. Read the message too fast and didn't see 61 FF.
Don't you work on my car today ??? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Michel
1963 E Type OTS - Angus Restoration
1965 E Type FHC - Front Restoration

Link:
BBcode:
HTML:
Hide post links
Show post links

User avatar

Topic author
peters3103
Posts: 130
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:25 am
Location: Canberra Australia
Australia

#5 Re: Cylinder head paint

Post by peters3103 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:58 am

I note SNGB have a pumpkin engine enamel aerosol listed but it comes up as a can for brushing @ £127.56 :wow: whereas the other colours are actually pictured in aerosol cans @ £23.87. Anyone used this and if so is the colour a good match?

Pete
November 61 flat floor FHC 885175
1999 XKR Coupe

Link:
BBcode:
HTML:
Hide post links
Show post links

User avatar

MarkRado
Posts: 86
Joined: Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:13 am
Location: Styria/ Graz
Austria

#6 Re: Cylinder head paint

Post by MarkRado » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:22 am

I had to paint the head twice - special heat resistant paint flaked off despite having followed the instructions. :banghead:
The second time I used 2pack etch primer (after having had sodablasted the head - again) and standard automotive paint (which I brushed on). You should be able to find the colour code in the factory fit section.
Mark
1963 OTS 880436 - since 1988

Link:
BBcode:
HTML:
Hide post links
Show post links

User avatar

rfs1957
Posts: 753
Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:52 pm
Location: Montpellier, France
France

#7 Re: Cylinder head paint

Post by rfs1957 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:08 pm

I want to copy Monsieur Mich and use cheapo OMP gold-paint !

Is that OK for a May 1962 car ? Trouble is, the engine is R1995-9 which is October 1961.

Angus will treat us with more respect, Mich, after next Sunday night ................
Rory
3.8 OTS Cream 877393 Built May 28th 1962
1978 Mini Van
(plus bevel and belt single-cylinder Ducatis)

Link:
BBcode:
HTML:
Hide post links
Show post links

User avatar

Topic author
peters3103
Posts: 130
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:25 am
Location: Canberra Australia
Australia

#8 Re: Cylinder head paint

Post by peters3103 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:08 am

R1995-9 would most certainly be “pumpkin”
Would raise a few eyebrows on a ‘62 car though.
Do it and give the anoraks something to talk about 😂
November 61 flat floor FHC 885175
1999 XKR Coupe

Link:
BBcode:
HTML:
Hide post links
Show post links


Gfhug
Posts: 1612
Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:08 pm
Location: Near Andover, Hampshire,in D.O. Blighty
Great Britain

#9 Re: Cylinder head paint

Post by Gfhug » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:17 am

Seeing two early S1s parked next to each other it was quite noticeable how different the pumpkin paint was on each of the engines. Which one was correct I've no idea :shrug:

Geoff
S2 FHC Light Blue

Link:
BBcode:
HTML:
Hide post links
Show post links

User avatar

Heuer
Administrator
Posts: 11954
Joined: Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:29 pm
Location: Nottinghamshire
Great Britain

#10 Re: Cylinder head paint

Post by Heuer » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:53 am

The original cylinder head paint was produced by Bradite and Jaguar records show it was 'Gold'. Those same records do not show a different colour paint used after 1961 - it is recorded as 'Gold' throughout XK150S and 3.8 production. Confusion was caused by Bradite supplying Gold metallic (known as Bradite Old Gold) to Jaguar from late 1961 onwards rather than the flat Gold used previously. The early cars used a non metallic paint and has retrospectively been called 'Pumpkin' by the Americans who know what that vegetable is but a puzzlement to us Brits (we don't have Pumpkins - Turnips, yes). "Gold' is a shade of Orange that is 71% saturated and 81% bright. For reference purposes, Gold has the hex value #CFB53B."
Image

The Bradite company still exists in Wales but I have spoken to them and they no longer have any NOS samples to hand or any knowledge of the paints supplied to Jaguar back in the day.

Image

Even today many paint manufacturers have a flat paint in their range that is called Gold (e.g. Crown has 'Tivoli Gold' trade paint which is very close to the fabled Pumpkin). If we go back to basics and consult the British Standard paint charts in use during the 1950's/1960's we find BS381c-356 'Golden Yellow':

Image

I would suggest that BS381-356 is the correct colour for the cylinder head for the cars in question. The challenge is to find a heat resistant paint in that colour! Bradite do produce a heat resistant paint called 'Fastrac Heat Resist' and it appears to be available in BS381c colours. Contact a Bradite dealer for availability.


BS381 - some history:

Published in 1930, BS381 was the BSI's first colour standard. In fact BS381 was not a co-ordinated range of colours at all but rather a collection of individually specified colours; used for camouflage, identification, signalling and coding systems; by the armed forces and other government departments, public bodies and industry.

In 1948, shortly after the Second World War, BS381 was revised as 'BS381C: Colours for ready mixed paints'. A further revision in 1964, published as Colours for ready mixed paints, was described as "for identification or other technical purposes, or for purposes based on long-established practice". In subsequent years various colours were added in response to the requirements of London Transport and the Ministry of Defence. At one point the standard consisted of 107 colours; however this has now been reduced to 91, in the latest version of BS381C.

Although each colour within the standard has its own number; each also had its own name, used more often in the past than now. These names, often predating the standard and relating to "long-established practice", will strike a chord of nostalgia to anyone who loved Airfix models as a child. Such evocative names include: Oxford Blue, Brunswick Green (often known as British Racing Green), Light Buff, Camouflage Desert Sand, Signal Red, International Orange, and Dark Admiralty Grey.


I will add this to the 'Factory Fit' thread so it can be found easily.
David Jones
S1 OTS OSB; S1 FHC ODB

Add your E-Type to our World Map: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1810

Link:
BBcode:
HTML:
Hide post links
Show post links

Post Reply Previous topicNext topic