Series 1 2+2 values

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#1 Series 1 2+2 values

Post by RobertGrieve » Sat May 12, 2018 3:55 pm

Hi all,

Does anyone have any idea what this car is probably worth? I’m about to send the docs off to the DVLA to register the car, and will sort the insurance also but I’d like to do an agreed value policy to be safe.

The cars a LHD 1966 manual series 1 2+2, and it’s a matching numbers car. There a some relatively small trim bits still to go on, but I’m largely done (I think!) 🙂

Anyhow would be interesting to see what people think the value of these early 2+2’s are like at the monent, I see quite a few autos but not so many manuals

Cheers, Robert
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#2 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by mystery type » Sat May 12, 2018 4:12 pm

Looks nice Robert, is the bonnet S2?
you could try looking here for a guide..
https://www.hagertyinsurance.co.uk/classiccarvalue
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#3 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by RobertGrieve » Sat May 12, 2018 4:18 pm

Thanks very much! Bonnet is a series 1, don’t know why I missed the photo, now on. Il have a look at that link!

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#4 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by Philk » Sat May 12, 2018 4:42 pm

mystery type wrote:
Sat May 12, 2018 4:12 pm
Looks nice Robert, is the bonnet S2?
you could try looking here for a guide..
https://www.hagertyinsurance.co.uk/classiccarvalue
Agree that Hagerty is a good starting point. However, I'm not seeing a close correlation with what they are saying and what retail market values (for restored cars) are at the moment. In addition, they don't appear to make any distinction between matching nos. cars and those that are not whereas you would expect to pay an ever-increasing premium for these.
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#5 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by RobertGrieve » Sat May 12, 2018 4:46 pm

Hi Phil,

Funny you say that I just looked and it was suggesting ~£30k -£35k for a fair condition one of mine, seems a bit poor and also not reflective of some I’ve seen for sale.

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#6 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by mgcjag » Sat May 12, 2018 5:09 pm

Hi Robert.....what would it cost you to replace like for like......thats what you need to base your value on....my 69 S2 2+2 currently has an agreed value of £55k..... Steve
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#7 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by RobertGrieve » Sat May 12, 2018 5:29 pm

Thanks Steve. Did you have to do any paperwork to back up the valuation or just advise the insurers this was the value you’d like to be covered for?

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#8 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by mystery type » Sat May 12, 2018 5:29 pm

Bonnet is a series 1
should it not have faired in headlamps then? I see the car has toggle switches so its not a S1.5 ?
is the chrome trim around the headlights a left-hand drive thing?
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#9 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by RobertGrieve » Sat May 12, 2018 5:35 pm

I’m not 100% sure.. the heritage certificate puts it at a series 1, but not sure if the certificate distinguished between the series 1 or 1.5. The chassis number puts it as a series 1, not a 1.5.

I must admit the late series 1 cars do confuse me, going by numbers, this is a series 1.

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#10 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by mgcjag » Sat May 12, 2018 5:57 pm

Hi Robert...im with Lancaster insurance....you fill in a short form giving condition of interior/bodywork/engine/suspension etc and send in some photos and your estimated value.....for one car they increased the value i gave....for another car they said my value was too high....we discussed it and the agreed with me.....didnt have to get any club valuations...Steve
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#11 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by RobertGrieve » Sat May 12, 2018 6:29 pm

Hi Steve, good to know. Thanks for the advice
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#12 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by Durango2k » Sat May 12, 2018 8:44 pm

Exactly my car - March 1966 S1 2+2 LHD, manual, triple carbs, full resto. Dark blue in my case, black interior. All new.

Now - I am really interested in numbers as well - if someone has an idea?

I would not give it away below 60.000 Euros. If you take a look at the german market, it is going strong.

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#13 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by Series1 Stu » Sat May 12, 2018 9:37 pm

That's a lovely car, Robert.

Its certainly a Series 1.5 bonnet. Some people might suggest that your car is a Series 1.25 but I don't believe that such things exist. The series 1.5 isn't an official model designation, never mind the 1.25.

Never the less, you have a very desirable car.
I hope you enjoy it!

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#14 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by RobertGrieve » Sun May 13, 2018 8:40 am

Thanks Stuart. I agree also that 1.25 or 1.5 aren’t really real, referring to mine as a 1.25 car has helped with the parts searches, that’s probably only where I’ve found it useful. Seems like it was almost any open headlamp car with a toggle dash!

Thanks for your kind words about the car. I’ve been trying to find one for sale of the exact spec but I’m yet to spot a manual, toggle switched car

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#15 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by baldyz1 » Mon May 14, 2018 9:27 am

I am going through a restoration on a Series 1 2+2 at the moment. As a consequence I have taken a real interest in prices over the last 2.5 years.

There have been quite a few LHD automatic cars around in the last 2.5 years and all of these in driver condition and ranging from £25,000 for one needing complete restoration (rust buckets) up to a tops of approx £50,000 for a fair driver.

There has only been one true concours car (imho) that came to general market and that was in the USA (black beauty) and it sold for around £89,000. I am confident that car would have topped the £100,000 mark in the UK having been restored with no expense spared in 2014. You should find it online (Classic Car Driver) it is a true work of art.

A few very good cars have been sold by the better trade sellers and these have been around the £70,000 to £80,000 area. In fact etype UK have a 2+2 for sale at just this sort of number.

I think a true concours early 2+2 1966 Manual car could reach between £110,000 to £120,000 to the right buyer as long as it was in the right colour combo and the restoration was totally correct. Many tall people cannot comfortably fit in a FHC so the 2+2 is a good compromise, if they must have an etype.

On the one hand your car is an open light car which unfortunately reduces the value somewhat but it is manual and is in a great colour scheme and it looks like it has been sympathetically restored. I would suggest then a value between £60,000 to £70,000 for insurance would seem about right.

Again just an opinion whilst watching the market with interest. I personally think that the 2+2 is generally looking less awkward in shape which must be something to do with modern car design so as more are restored to a high standard values will inevitably creep up. As a top quality shop restoration is close to £100,000 this puts the concours 2+2 well into £120,000 to £130,000 territory.

On another note:

The subject of 1, 1.25 and 1.5 is important in relation to value.

These nomenclatures whether official or unofficial coincided with distinct changes in production. Series 1 had closed lights and toggles, Series 1.25 retained many of the series 1 features but the headlamps were open and there were some mecahnical changes such as twin fan radiator I believe. The 1.5 introduced many of the Series 2 mechanical changes and of course the switches were series 2. This of course then has an impact on value. Its interesting flicking through XKEDATA on the cusp of changes to see which cars had what especially near your own VIN Number.

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#16 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by RobertGrieve » Mon May 14, 2018 6:15 pm

Hi Chris,

Thanks kindly for your detailed note. I think based on your comments and also what I’ve learned through the restoration is that my car is firmly in the 1.25 category of cars.

You can see why people opt for covered light conversions based on the price differential of these early cars.

Happy with your view on the valuation, il just drive it round and engage in some of my own PR to push the values up :lol:

Cheers, Robert
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#17 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by Durango2k » Mon May 14, 2018 6:57 pm

You don‘t really want higher values. It makes your / our hobby harder, because you then have to pay more for the insurance etc., and possibly parts prices et.

The average family man, for whom the 2+2 was developed / designated becames squeezed out of the market. I could never afford my E-Type today. Very lucky me I was there before it exploded. And it took me several years to find exactly this - lhd manual triple carbs S1 1966 project. I paid too much even back then, but hey, thats live + buying a project from the US via ebay is often a hopeless operation in the end.

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#18 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by RobertGrieve » Mon May 14, 2018 7:03 pm

Agreed - and on the basis I’ve done two other cars (not e types) both of which I haven’t sold on probably means I’m not that motivated by the value of the things anyway.. :bigrin:
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#19 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by yev » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:58 am

I own 2x1966 2+2’s, LHD and RHD.
Values are miles apart .
Mate of mine getting married in Italy next year on lake Garda . So missis and I taking LHD for 10 day road trip . Hope she will make it both ways!!!

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#20 Re: Series 1 2+2 values

Post by cactusman » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:46 pm

A series 2 2+2 classified add on eBay. UK. Manual gear box. three SU carbs... £50k

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAGUAR-E-TYP ... Sw~Q9bIRkD

A series 1 in good nick would fetch a bit more I suspect...
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