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#1 VIN number

Post by Bernie2015 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:22 am

Hi All,

I have just purchased a Series 1 OTS from the USA. The VIN number on the vehicle data plate and the VIN number stamped on the engine frame next to the front right wheel dont match. Does anyone know if this will be a problem when applying for a V5?

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#2 Re: VIN number

Post by mgcjag » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:48 am

Hi Brenie...what about all the paperwork...whats on that.....what have you actually purchased the vin on the chassis or the one on the data plate...what about the other numbers on the data plate do they match the car....check out both Vins on http://www.xkedata.com What number will you register it with the dvla....if they ask for an inspection it will definatly cause problems......data plates and picture frames with the number on can be changed..Steve
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#3 Re: VIN number

Post by Bernie2015 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:10 pm

Hi Steve,

thanks for your input. The paperwork from the US shows the VIN number as being what is on the data plate and I will endeavour to register it on that number but the number on the engine frame is not the same.

Do you think this may cause a problem getting a V5?
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#4 Re: VIN number

Post by Bernie2015 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:51 pm

PS Engine numbers do not match the plate but I guess its been replaced at some stage.

Could the differing VIN Nos mean that the engine frame has been replaced with one from another car which is why the numbers stamped on it are not the same as the data plate?
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#5 Re: VIN number

Post by mgcjag » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:02 pm

Hi Bernie...you need to tread very carerfully....have you checked both vin numbers on xke data.....if either come up as belonging to another car or as stolen you have problems.....does the engine frame look original or like its been replaced....does the data plate look original..is there a heritage certificate with the car.....Steve
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#6 Re: VIN number

Post by Bernie2015 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:08 pm

The number on the data plate and on the paperwork with the car comes up as being correct for the vehicle on the XKE data website.
The number on the frame doesn't bring anything up at all so not sure where that number came from or why itis stamped into the frame. My obvious concerm is that the DVLA wont register the car without both numbers ie plate and engine frame being the same. Any thoughts on that much appreciated
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#7 Re: VIN number

Post by Bernie2015 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:11 pm

Sorry I didn't answer your questioms - there is no heritage certificate with the car, the engine frame and plate look to be about right in age for the car.
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Post by malcolm » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:16 pm

Could it be the car had an accident, and a frame was replaced with one from a written off/scrapped car?
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#9 Re: VIN number

Post by mgcjag » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:17 pm

Hi Bernie...you will need a Heritage certificate to register......others have also had to send photos of the vin stamped on the chassis....either way you have a mis match....personaly i would not contact the dvla untill i have all the correct paperwork and numbers matching....you also need to account for the engine numbers not matching the data plate....the heritage certificate will give tbe details of what the numbers should be....have you checked your body number.......also identify what type of engine you actually have....ps there is info on the forum on how to check if a dataplate is an original or replica... Steve
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#10 Re: VIN number

Post by Bernie2015 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:29 pm

Thanks Steve have sent a PM to you.
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#11 Re: VIN number

Post by mgcjag » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:42 pm

Hi Bernie...i havent imported a car and registered it....there is lots of info on the forum about whats needed if you search....will be good to hear others opinions of the mismatch numbers and how best for you to proceed.. Steve
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#12 Re: VIN number

Post by Robbiee » Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:11 pm

Hi Bernie
This is a little tricky so be careful
The plate can be changed at any time, by anyone.
The front frame can be swapped/stamped etc

However the Body Number (not the VIN) is very handy for confirming identity because OTS often written by hand on various components in the factory
It is 4 figures and mine was on the reverse side of the dashboard written upside down along with the body colour and interior trim colour just above the speedo as well as the other side above the glove compartment
Jag heritage certainly found it valuable when I contacted them
Also check for original paint etc under a grommet if it’s been changed

I suggest you make sure everything fits and matches before the DVLA is contacted

Happy hunting

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Post by tim wood » Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:25 pm

i have found the body number on my US import in 2 places. Written by hand in a wax crayon on the front frame central on the frame . The stamped number on the frame tied in with the data plate and heritage certificate . I had to be careful here when cleaning off 50 years of grease!
Plus neatly written on a tag tied to the supporting bar for the screen just under the dash top.

I think as everyone has said caution is the word here.


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#14 Re: VIN number

Post by Robbiee » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:28 pm

Good advice everyone

Just to note : Jaguar heritage will not tell you an engine number unless you tell them first! If the engine number on your car is not the original then they will put it on the certificate but add “non original engine number supplied by present owner “ or words to that effect!
It , however , will not affect the identification of the chassis/body anyway...there are plenty of cars with replacement engines out there.

Interestingly...jag heritage were able to tell me my lost chassis number based on the body number I gave them!

Engine-wise..have a look for the block casting date on the side of the iron block ..gives you a clue as to its age for a start

find as many numbers as possible, get a certificate from jag heritage, this means you can get a new picture frame with the number corrected and only then consider the DVLA

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#15 Re: VIN number

Post by Bernie2015 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:32 pm

Thanks for the comments. Just to clarify - the car came with a USA title which matches the data plate, the engine block has been changed but is still correct for the period.
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#16 Re: VIN number

Post by Robbiee » Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:12 pm

That’s great BUT getting the frame stamped correctly by the frame supplier requires a copy of the heritage certificate as proof so this needs sorting before the DVLA getinvolved otherwise a different stamped VIN could cause problems
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#17 Re: VIN number

Post by Bernie2015 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:24 pm

Thanks Robbie - it does seem a bit ridiculous on a 52 year old car that could have had the engine and frame changed at any point in that time with one from a written off vehicle. I presume they dont want me to try and locate the original engine somewhere in th US as well?
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#18 Re: VIN number

Post by Herzeg » Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:36 pm

Isn't there also a body number behind the rear number plate?

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#19 Re: VIN number

Post by angelw » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:04 pm

Steve Wrote:
will be good to hear others opinions of the mismatch numbers and how best for you to proceed.. Steve
Hello Steve,
As BW Robbie points out, if the incorrect numbers are submitted for a Heritage Certificate, the correct numbers are not supplied, and the Certificate marked accordingly. If the numbers are unknown, but you can supply a Title or some proof of previous registration, the correct numbers will be supplied and the Certificate marked that the numbers were not supplied (words to that effect).

Cars in Australia do not have Title documents, but cars in the US do. Accordingly, if the car is imported from the US, the original Title should be supplied and can be used to get a Heritage Certificate with all the correct numbers, albeit marked that the numbers were not supplied by the applicant (if they were not supplied).

If I were Bernie, I would proceed by making an application for a Heritage Certificate and not muddy the water by stating that the numbers don't match, but simply omit the questionable numbers and supply a copy of the car's original Title. This way he should get a Certificate with all the correct numbers.

John Wrote:
Isn't there also a body number behind the rear number plate?
Yes, on an aluminum tag pop riveted to the rear beaver panel. Often this is missing if the car has been restored, or had repairs carried out to the rear end.

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#20 Re: VIN number

Post by Duckham » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:04 am

angelw wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:04 pm
John Wrote:
Isn't there also a body number behind the rear number plate?
Yes, on an aluminum tag pop riveted to the rear beaver panel. Often this is missing if the car has been restored, or had repairs carried out to the rear end.
Was there a changeover point for the location?
I have seen that tag behind the number plate and inside the boot / trunk on the vertical left-hand panel (is that the beaver panel??).

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