2+2 windscreen ?

gt750jim · Post by **gt750jim** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:54 pm

hi my 1969 2+2 fhc project has arrived from the states and some how the screen is now cracked ! is the anyone who knows a cheap suppler or has a second hand screen i can use ? christmas has hit hard and the bank is empty lol

mystery type · Post by **mystery type** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:51 pm

knows a cheap suppler

no such thing when its an E type

i`v not checked the usual parts suppliers, but a quick check on eBay shows screens at ?345 ( classic_windscreens ) although 2+2 price not shown. but that should give you a guide price.

gt750jim · Post by **gt750jim** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:12 pm

thanks i have been offered a new screen (not fitted) for under ?300 , i am just a humble mechanic on A rubbish wage ! not one of the well off so i am trying to own my dream car without the nightmare price tag

SteveG · Post by **SteveG** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:50 pm

Jim, I know CMC had a bunch of windscreens manufactured by Pilkington for the E-type a while ago and they list them on their website. I don't know whether they cover 2+2 models though. It might be worth contacting them, if not they may be able to give you some pointers.

http://classic-motor-cars.co.uk/servici ... w-product/

gt750jim · Post by **gt750jim** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:17 pm

thanks still comes in a almost ?300 with the vat (?298)

MarkE · Post by **MarkE** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:04 pm

Jim, the windscreen for the Coupe is a real headache, and I'm sure that the 2+2 is no different.

They are notoriously difficult to fit, and unfortunately, some made recently just don't fit.

My Coupe was re-trimmed at CMC and needed a new windscreen. They tried 4 different screens and finally got Pilkington to make a new batch before they got one to go in. On a full body restoration they will offer up a screen to the shell and trim the shell as needed....no big deal, but the odd MM here and there makes the difference between one fitting and not fitting. My car was painted, and as it had never been bent or welded, it was pretty obvious that the new screens were the problem.

So when you're buying one, make sure that it's part of a deal to fit the thing as well. They are easy to break on installation. Also make sure that the person fitting it has done an E Type with a roof before...the convertible is quite easy to do.

Finally, you will need a new windscreen rubber. The old one will almost certainly be too hard to re-install.

gt750jim · Post by **gt750jim** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:19 pm

thanks for the info the series 2 2+2 is not as bad as as the series 1 as the screen has more rake and doesn't wrap round as much as the steep screen and i have fitted a few windscreens (try doing a vauxhall pa cresta ! )

PeterCrespin · Post by **PeterCrespin** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:50 pm

MarkE wrote: On a full body restoration they will offer up a screen to the shell and trim the shell as needed....no big deal, but the odd MM here and there makes the difference between one fitting and not fitting.

Indeed it does, as the owner of that CMC-modified shell would find out if they ever needed a replacement and the only ones available were standard...

Pete

christopher storey · Post by **christopher storey** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:40 am

Peter : I think you will find that all the reputable restorers trial fit a screen to an FHC before making final adjustments to the pillars. It is the only reliable way to do it. On my FHC rebuild , which used my old (1965) screen as a template , when we came to fit a new screen several were tried, and in the end the fitters gave up and used my original . To fit that took, quite literally, about 10 minutes, whereas they had struggled for 2 hours and more with each of the others . The modern replacements are, I am told , cut as flat blanks , and only put in an oven to bend them when they are called off for delivery. It is a recipe for disaster

MarkE · Post by **MarkE** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:59 am

Christopher, I think that you're absolutely right. They are only trimming a millimetre or two to make the screens fit, which, if a 'correct' windscreen is ever offered up, is accommodated in the rubber seal.

A chum runs a very well known bodyshop that specialises in restoring Italian exotica, along with Superleggera bodywork on the old Astons. The things they have to do to make things fit would make your eyes water...but there is usually no option unless the bodyshell is broken down to its component parts and reconstructed.

Precision and engineering aren't terms usually associated with bodywork!

00series · Post by **00series** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:13 pm

A few months ago i had a new windscreen for a S2 2+2 sourced & fitted by National windscreens in North Devon - luckily it was paid for by the insurance as it had started to delaminate - but i don't think i would have had much change out of ?400 if i had to pay it. The screen fitter said the new screen went in really easy & was a very good quality replacement, i must say they did an excellent job they even called in a proper time served fitter from 50 miles away especially for my car.
cheers, Bert

PeterCrespin · Post by **PeterCrespin** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:18 pm

MarkE wrote:Christopher, I think that you're absolutely right. They are only trimming a millimetre or two to make the screens fit, which, if a 'correct' windscreen is ever offered up, is accommodated in the rubber seal.

Precision and engineering aren't terms usually associated with bodywork!

Quite so. Jaguar's official fix for wind noise from poorly-fitting door perimeter seals on XJs was a long piece of 2x4" through the open window/ This was used to 'persuade' the frame to sit cloer to the body aperture, and very successfully too.

But there are limits to how much a seal will accommodate, if you happen to build a shell to fit a screen from one end of the tolerance range and the screens available later are sized at the other end of the range.

I'm playing Devil's advocate of course, but the reality of the issue is demonstrated by the fact that after trying four screens, CMC felt the only worthwhile solution was to commission a new batch from Pilkington. That's no trivial matter and was done to make a batch of new ones significantly different from those currently available, otherwise why bother? Meanwhile, Hutsons, Robey and myriad DIYers are presumably building shells to fit screen like those CMC rejected? Either it's an issue or it's not, and today's work-around might become tomorrow's new headache.

Still, it's all relative and E-type bodywork has been fudged since the first one rolled off the line made from concrete press tools. We have to give the next generation some puzzles to fix!

Mike L · Post by **Mike L** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:30 am

I have followed this thread with interest, since I am restoring a 69 2+2 and need a new windshield.
The bodyshell is not completed and requires new upper corner pieces that attach the roof to the pillars, these I plan to fabricate in house.
I will probably buy a windshield from either Welsh or SNG
What is the best way to proceed.

christopher storey · Post by **christopher storey** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:20 am

Mike : all I can suggest is that you do not finalise the windscreen aperture until you have got your new screen and have trial fitted it and marked the final positions of the new corners . That way you eliminate, or at least reduce, the risk of having to butcher the screen surround after you have done the painting etc

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