Door waist/glass seal 2+2

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#1 Door waist/glass seal 2+2

Post by Direwolf » Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:15 pm

From my French imposed isolation (take care everyone) , l want to use the time to do some of the jobs l have been meaning to get to....l need to change the outer seals that run along the door glass as with age they seem to have lost the last inch or two.

Could anyone let me know how it is removed as my inner trim is very neatly riveted in place and if necessary l will drill it out but in the workshop manual it indicates you ‘Carefully tap chrome bead towards front of car then prise bead upwards. It doesn’t mention any fixings. With glass down the chrome seems fixed and l am reluctant to hit it too hard without asking a higher authority!

Do l need to remove inner upper trim to get at any fixings or just (gently)hit it harder?

Sorry if it’s a stupid question, thanks for any advice.

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#2 Re: Door waist/glass seal 2+2

Post by chris420sa » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:39 pm

Hi Bob - this self isolation seems to make it compulsory to spend time in the garage getting those jobs done which get deferred under more normal circumstances.
I recently replaced my passenger and driver door assemblies so had to fit the windows and all the trim parts before hanging the doors.
If you look at Page 33.25 of the Parts Catalogue (see the Forum's Knowledge Base if you don't have a hard copy) you'll see that the parts are:
a) BD 26706/3 - special rivet ("cup and rivet" per SNGB)
b) BD 29358 (RH) and BD 29359 (LH) - window seal rubber retaining strip
c) BD 21073/4 - window seal rubber
If all is original, b) is removed by tapping b) forwards given that b) is held in place by the five special rivets a).
These rivets have a "collar" over which the "slot tabs" of b) fasten.
However I was unable to find these special rivets from SNGB, Martin Robey, SC Parts and Welsh Enterprises (and I've just checked the websites of these suppliers again with the same result). I recall also looking at the websites of various rivet manufacturers until boredom set in and success was nil.
Given that I had to fit all of the parts to the new door assemblies, I used ordinary rivets to fasten b) (very carefully in order to get b) in the correct position) and then inserted the window assembly which was quite a tight fit and which explains why special rivets were used to instal b) without having to remove the window.
In my case, even with the window down as far as possible it would not have been possible to insert the rivets.
So please first check to see what type of rivets have been used. If they are per the Parts Catalogue then tapping the strip forwards using a wooden block or similar would work (some WD40 or similar would help if there's some corrossion).
If they are not per the Parts Catalogue, it would seem to be case of first removing the window and drilling out the rivets to remove b). The lock down period is unlikely to be over before you've finished (?)

Hopefully a member of the forum can advise where to purchase these special rivets.

Inserting a new c) into a new or existing b) is not easy and requires copious amounts of liquid detergent and great care not to bend c) as your frustration level rises. The rubber will probably need a bit of trimming at the ends but be sure to get a good seal at front and rear (or only drive in dry weather and never wash the windows). You may also need to coat the window side of the rubber seal with some silicone spray to avoid it being pulled downwards when the window is opened - the mess on the glass doesn't last too long!
Hope that helps but I happily defer to other members to provide their inputs.
Best regards
Chris

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#3 Re: Door waist/glass seal 2+2

Post by Direwolf » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:12 pm

Thank you very much for your detailed reply, l understand your description for what l mistakenly thought would be quite an easy little job but like always it can rapidly become a bit more complicated.

I think l will be in lockdown for 6 weeks here so hopefully will have the time to do the job but the special rivets could be a problem, l will tackle it this weekend as my work keep me near my computer all day and will check if my spare rivets will do the job. I have had the seals for a few months which is good as there are no deliveries here during the lockdown so l will have to work out a fix with whatever l have. Thanks again...

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