S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

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#1 S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

Post by JoeLondon » Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:53 pm

Ah.
So, I figured out why the car stinks so much of fuel if I fill up, I changed the gaskets on the sender and the blanking plate thinking that would be it. But, I filled up to check it and sure enough, plenty of fuel smell. Lo and behold I find 2 breather pipes on the side of the tank which are attached to absolutely nothing at all, so currently my expansion tank is the spare wheel well. What could possibly go wrong.

I'm guessing I need a tank of sorts attached to these points. Is this common to be missing? I can't seem to find the part available. I therefore assume if I do eventually find one I may need to part with the other kidney. Is there an alternative?
I need to check if the rest of the system is there, I see there is supposed to be a charcoal canister and a breather housing apparently, are these also located in the rear quarter?
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#2 Re: S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

Post by madjack4 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:59 pm

Hi i have done away with my expansion tank after a accident over 2 years ago the tank was destroyed i just blanked the pipes off and drilled a small hole in the filler cap i have had no problems at all i am just careful not to brim the tank then park in the sun in case it expands the fuel and overflows out of the breather hole in the cap
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#3 Re: S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

Post by lowact » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:34 pm

You should be able to see the expansion tank tucked away in front of the filler pipe:
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The charcoal canister is in the engine bay, on the footwell bulkhead behind the battery:
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#4 Re: S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

Post by JoeLondon » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:24 am

Thanks both for answers - I know what I'll be doing today :)

Colin - you're batting 100% here sir. Thank you very much!
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#5 Re: S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

Post by JoeLondon » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:59 am

So, it's a negative on the expansion tank or ancillaries. So perhaps madjacks solution is a go for now, unless I can find a set of these things. Willing to bet they won't be cheap though. I might look at a jerry rigged setup, perhaps a rubber bladder of some sort or an expansion tank from something else.

I assume the carbon filter and breather housing just deal with vapours and no liquid fuel goes any further than the tank itself.
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#6 Re: S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

Post by AussieEtype » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:15 am

JoeLondon wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:59 am
I assume the carbon filter and breather housing just deal with vapours and no liquid fuel goes any further than the tank itself.
If your car is a 72 UK car you will not have to worry about much of that - were not fitted with most of the stuff.
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#7 Re: S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

Post by JoeLondon » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:09 pm

Thanks Colin,

Yes, have now discovered that that is mostly US gear - so I have blanked the tubes off with a small looped hose and the breathing will now be done through the fuel cap. That was easy :)
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#8 Re: S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

Post by Adamski » Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:29 am

Just for the record mine is a 72 UK car owned 42 years!!
I have a locking fuel cap that maybe has a vent but I have great pleasure in filling the car right up and never get any fuel smells,so it seems good as designed. (Makes a change!)
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#9 Re: S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

Post by Adamski » Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:51 pm

I checked my locking cap and it's non vented. Mine's a 72 UK car. I get no smells.
I've had the tank out some years ago and forgotten the layout. The workshop manual talks about vent lines.
Can someone tell me how the tank is vented and where does it vent to? Thanks
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#10 Re: S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

Post by lowact » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:29 pm

72 US spec; charcoal canister on the bulkhead behind the battery.
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#11 Re: S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

Post by AussieEtype » Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:57 pm

UK specs dont have that - I assume just vents into the expansion tank near the fuel filler.
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#12 Re: S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

Post by Adamski » Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:21 pm

I suppose there must be an expansion tank up there somewhere but I wonder where it vents to?
I'm not even sure you can get a visual on it?
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#13 Re: S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

Post by JoeLondon » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:42 am

I believe our UK car just vents to the filler cap enclosure, there's what I had assumed to be a drain hole in the corner of the enclosure, apparently theres a pipe running from that near the filler neck, to I guess the expansion tank (all missing on mine).
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#14 Re: S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

Post by Sdinse » Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:22 pm

FYI
On the US 2+2 its tucked way up over the left rear wheel well (C pillar?) and mounted to the horizontal seam at the back of the wheel well.
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#15 Re: S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

Post by MarekH » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:13 am

IIRC, it does feature in the Parts Manual. There is also a full explanation in the tan coloured US Owners Manual, which has extra pages that the same Blue UK booklet does not.

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#16 Re: S3 Fuel Expansion Tank

Post by Adamski » Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:12 pm

On my UK car that drain hole goes through to the bottom as I poked a wire through it gears ago when wash water would accumulate in the area below the fuel flap. Well worth doing.Still don't know where yje tank vents to. Had it out years ago but forgot.
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