6 Cylinder Series 3

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#1 6 Cylinder Series 3

Post by AussieEtype » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:08 pm

In developing the Series 3 there are few experiment/prototype versions. Some were series 2s with the V12 and some were series 3s with the 4.2 six.

When the series 3 was released both motors were supposedly available but the 4.2 was soon dropped.

XKE Data has one of the "experimental" six cylinder cars but not any listings of production vehicles.

So - how many "production" 6 cylinder series 3s were actually made??

Anyone got one??

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Post by Heuer » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:22 pm

Three I think, released into the wild. Whether you regard them as 'experimental' is another matter. Harry had one of them about a year ago.
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Post by Aar0sc » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:25 pm

Rear seats were also an option in the OTS very early on - there's a SIII near me, (very early one) with a straight six and rear seats (it's an OTS). Tried to find the owner but haven't yet :?
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Post by PeterCrespin » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:00 pm

There are at least 2 SIII 4.2 cars in the USA, according to George Camp.

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Post by AussieEtype » Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:51 am

So it would seem that the claims by some that it is the rarest of the e-types may be true. Locally there is one of the experimental/prototype V12s. It has a a series 2 body that was modified to take the V12 and has a series 3 bonnet. The original series 2 body number has been over stamped with the Ex numbers - I believe it is number 6.

As the owner uses it for historic racing it spends most of its time in the repair shop.

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Post by PeterCrespin » Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:55 am

garrycol wrote: Locally there is one of the experimental/prototype V12s. It has a a series 2 body that was modified to take the V12 and has a series 3 bonnet. The original series 2 body number has been over stamped with the Ex numbers - I believe it is number 6.
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The 4.2 S3 E-type is rarer than any Lightweight or D-type or anything else except E2A and XJ13. But although i know the prototype Series 1 XJC resides in Oz I'm sceptical that a Series 2 V12 hybrid exists there. Not saying it doesn't but there is every chance it's a modified Series 2 in the same way Jay Leno's V12 is a modified Series 1 /Series 3 hybrid he commissioned himself.

The Series 2 for example never had a stamped body number that you could overstamp EX or anything else easily. The Series 3 uses a number stamped into the body steel like modern cars, as well as the rivetted alloy tag, so i could see one of those being messed with like a ringed car. But Series 2 and Series 1 used small embossed oval body tags.

The nature of these is that a) there's no room for anything extra to be stamped easily and b) since the original uses raised letters embossed from behind, I think it would be tricky/messy/hard to read if stamping normal numbers from the outside and partly flattening the embossed digits.. You'd think anyone wanting to change the ID as part of a prototyping exercise would just take any shell off the line, none of which are stamped with anything, or drill out the tag and stamp something onto virgin metal. And of course it was strict policy that very few prototypes ever escaped the saw or the crusher and found their way into the market.

So I'd be very interested to see any photos of that car and its so-called overstamping, or details of its provenance. Anything is possible, especially in the land of marsupials, but I'd need persuading before I believed it was anything much more than a Series two with Series 3 frames and engine shoe-horned onto it. it would need a Series three bonnet to clear the wider track which is a direct swap, and presumably flared arches which you'd have on many track cars anyhow, to clear the S3 IRS.

Interesting though...and even rarer than a 4.2 Series 3!
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Post by AussieEtype » Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:28 am

No - it is the real thing - the providence has been proved time and time again as it is always challenged. The body mods and engine etc were done by Jaguar during series 3 development phase and not done by an owner later.

Here is a pic of it taken about 20 years ago (it is still owned by the same person) - the OTS next to it is my car.

It now has a fibreglass bonnet (so the original is not damaged in historic races) and a number of racing mods.

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Post by MarkE » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:46 am

It makes sense that there were a couple of S2 cars modified to take the V12 engine, and for one of them to be tested in a hot climate environment like Australia. They have a very high percentage of unusual and tasty machines out there as cars that were sent out in the 50s and 60s for testing were often never shipped back as it just wasn't worth the cost. Same with race cars, as the season often ended in Australia.

Incidentally Peter, I had the XJC S2 prototype, registration number OHP21M, chassis number 2....I think that there is another in the UK, chassis number 3. It was all S1 running gear, with a cobbled together coupe roof and extended doors. I was having some bodywork sorted on the car in a garage in Leicester when the guy doing the work committed suicide, and I lost interest in it, as it was then in a few hundred pieces.

But it's still in the UK and now living in Essex, owned by a chap who collects early / prototype cars, and has one of the first S3 E Types to keep it company.

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Post by PeterCrespin » Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:44 am

Fine, case proven. I'll your words for it Garry/Mark. My best friend was sent out to Australia to help with XJ40 development and he went to Death Valley as well, or was it Canada for the cold testing? I can imagine it not being worth shipping back. Norman Dewis remembered him when i spoke to him last week.

After he came back from Oz my friend was describing something that needed changing on the car and they contacted Browns Lane using a new machine where you could scribble a drawing, stick it in this machine and it came back from England with someone else's scribble on it. I said no way, did he mean a telex? He said no, some gadget that could send handwriting and freehand drawings down the phone.

First time either of us had come across what we now know as the fax machine :-)

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Post by AussieEtype » Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:15 am

Its been a while since I have physically sighted the car and its story but I believe it was a private import from the UK - not a test car sent out to test our hot weather.

It has participated in the Targa Tasmania a few times - crashing out at least one through the barbed wire. In an other race it was crashed with substantial damage to one of the doors and sills.

XK Data lists EX 100 and EX 101 but not the Aust car. These cars are also Series 2 cars converted to series 3 specs

http://www.xkedata.com/cars/results/

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Post by Phil » Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:56 am

Hello Gary,

Here is some info I found (in books, and mainly in a Jaguar World Monthly article from Jan 2006. The check at the DVLA was made back in August 2010.
There were four indeed :

1) one was in fact the second prototype built: EX-101 (or XJ25/2), registered SWK 582H, light blue. This was later registered SWK 1H
DVLA shows: SWK 1H ? First reg04/01/1974, 4235cc, blue, tax expired 01/12/1989

2) EX-102 (XJ25/3), little is known about it: was finished in light green and
registered SWK 583H, still surviving (as reported in JWM Jan 2006). DVLA shows: SWK 583H ? no record.

3) XJ25/4, a LHD sent to the US for emission testing: 1W70001BW, was then sold to Lynx: is on xkedata. (1S70001)

4) 1S 50106, registered CHP 678K; full report in JWM Jan 2006 about it and also on xkedata .DVLA shows ? CHK 678K ? First reg 09/02/1972, 4235cc, white, taxed to 01/07/2011.

Then there are two other Series 3 E-types
that also claim to be 6-cyl:

a) EX-100 (XJ25/1): registered SWK 581H, was the car used by Peter Taylor, initially powered by a 4.2, receiving later a V12, and used for racing , also on xkedata(EX100) DVLA shows ?SWK 581H ? First reg 01/01/1970, year of manufacture 1969, 5431cc, silver, currently (Aug 2010) on SORN

b) In 2009, Harry from E-Type UK had another car reported to be roadster, open six-cyl, 2+2 completed in 1975, first registered SOM 186S in 1977, chassis n? being apparently 4S01002 (not confirmed), and the car documents had a letter signed by Lofty England confirming its originality. Jim Patten writes the car was ?assembled? from parts and completed in 1975 and sold by Jaguar after the commemoratives to an
Austrian dealer...it had back seats indeed .Is now in the UK.

Not aware about the Australian one, it would be interesting to find its VN N? and more info

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Post by AussieEtype » Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:13 pm

I will see what I can find out.

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Post by AussieEtype » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:39 am

Found some old records from 1991.

Car Number - EX104
Engine Number - 7S1003-9
Body Number - Not listed
Gearbox - Manual
Colour - Black
Interior - Red

Other Information:
Ex UK 19??
Factory prototype
7S1336LB Fitted

This ia all I have access to at the moment
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Post by Phil » Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:59 pm

Thank you Garry

very interesting, so here is EX104 !
with a very early V12 engine N? .

They did fit another one later? you mention two engine N?s.

keep us updated when you find more please.
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Post by AussieEtype » Tue Jun 14, 2011 3:02 am

It is only my assumption but I suspect the second engine has been fitted for racing - I know the engine fitted to it was heavily modified as is the suspension. I suspect the original engine is in storage nearby.

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