Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
#21 Re: Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
Hi Robbie, thanks for that ; any pictures you might have that show how the adjuster cable fits onto the centre pivot would be most welcome - I haven't got my cable yet but it is likely to be incomplete regarding the accessories that attach it to frame, and through which it interacts with the insulated arm.
Rory
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#22 Re: Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
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#23 Re: Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
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#24 Re: Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
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#25 Re: Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
Fantastic lads thank you.
Rory
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#26 Re: Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
I'm sticking my neck out a bit here, as there are a couple of items to come back from zinc-plating before I can set all this up off the car, test the theory on the bench, and see if the motor-wiring modifications I've made have given me the correct rotation.
However, it may yet be of help to someone else, and others may want to contribute - and I'll cast it in stone once I've tried it.
Does this make sense so far ?
The wipers are meant to park in front of the driver, for both LHD and RHD cars (mine is RHD).
The mechanisms are the same for both variants, the "parked" position is obtained on RHD cars by the eccentric going "long" to throw the wiper bell-cranks farther to the left (seen from within the car) than usual, hence the wipers further to the right.
I am going to post the details of the wiring changes that are necessary in a separate post, as I found the info available elsewhere somewhat confusing.
This picture simulates the assembly as seen from the front of the car, with mini-wipers represented.
On LHD cars the eccentric goes "short" to pull the bell-cranks farther to the right (seen from within the car, hence the wipers further to the left.
It is the direction of rotation of the motor that determines how the eccentric behaves, and whether it adopts the "long" or the "short" position, hence the fact that LHD and RHD motors have reversed rotations.
The spring-loaded swash-plate tries to rotate the eccentric in the same direction as the motor crank rotation.
So I think what this means is that when looking at the rotating crank on the motor mechanism, for a RHD car, it should be going CCW (counter-clockwise) during normal operation, and CW (clockwise) during the reversing-to-park cycle.
(Bear in mind that there are mirror-image flips going on here when transposing rotation seen from one side and then from another)
This is confirmed by Joe Hardy's explanation you'll find here, in our Knowledge base, although the references to motor-direction are potentially misleading ; I think he indeed means the output crank when viewed head-on.
http://www.xkedata.com/resources/read/?id=9
"When wired correctly, a RHD motor will be turning the spindle anti-clockwise (viewed from the spindle side) under normal running."
There is a truly magesterial electrical paper here in our Knowledge base
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x7f9u2g650up8 ... l.pdf?dl=1
that covers the wiring and how the switching obtains twin-speeds, and reverse.
However, it may yet be of help to someone else, and others may want to contribute - and I'll cast it in stone once I've tried it.
Does this make sense so far ?
The wipers are meant to park in front of the driver, for both LHD and RHD cars (mine is RHD).
The mechanisms are the same for both variants, the "parked" position is obtained on RHD cars by the eccentric going "long" to throw the wiper bell-cranks farther to the left (seen from within the car) than usual, hence the wipers further to the right.
I am going to post the details of the wiring changes that are necessary in a separate post, as I found the info available elsewhere somewhat confusing.
This picture simulates the assembly as seen from the front of the car, with mini-wipers represented.
On LHD cars the eccentric goes "short" to pull the bell-cranks farther to the right (seen from within the car, hence the wipers further to the left.
It is the direction of rotation of the motor that determines how the eccentric behaves, and whether it adopts the "long" or the "short" position, hence the fact that LHD and RHD motors have reversed rotations.
The spring-loaded swash-plate tries to rotate the eccentric in the same direction as the motor crank rotation.
So I think what this means is that when looking at the rotating crank on the motor mechanism, for a RHD car, it should be going CCW (counter-clockwise) during normal operation, and CW (clockwise) during the reversing-to-park cycle.
(Bear in mind that there are mirror-image flips going on here when transposing rotation seen from one side and then from another)
This is confirmed by Joe Hardy's explanation you'll find here, in our Knowledge base, although the references to motor-direction are potentially misleading ; I think he indeed means the output crank when viewed head-on.
http://www.xkedata.com/resources/read/?id=9
"When wired correctly, a RHD motor will be turning the spindle anti-clockwise (viewed from the spindle side) under normal running."
There is a truly magesterial electrical paper here in our Knowledge base
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x7f9u2g650up8 ... l.pdf?dl=1
that covers the wiring and how the switching obtains twin-speeds, and reverse.
Rory
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#27 Re: Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
Well, that got you lot really excited didn't it.
As I pursue my PhD in wiper-parking, and in order for me for me to complete my thesis, which will include the long-awaited Première of the eccentric being filmed LIVE, in action, has any kind soul got one of these clips they could spare ?
Note, it's the clip I need, preferably with its two "ears", not the ball-joint itself.
Failing that, I see that XKS in the US list them complete with the ball-joint, from - I quote - "a UK cottage-industry", so presumably some supplier does actually have the clips.
Any ideas ?
As I pursue my PhD in wiper-parking, and in order for me for me to complete my thesis, which will include the long-awaited Première of the eccentric being filmed LIVE, in action, has any kind soul got one of these clips they could spare ?
Note, it's the clip I need, preferably with its two "ears", not the ball-joint itself.
Failing that, I see that XKS in the US list them complete with the ball-joint, from - I quote - "a UK cottage-industry", so presumably some supplier does actually have the clips.
Any ideas ?
Rory
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#28 Re: Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
Richard Smith does them I believe.
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#29 Re: Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
I got mine from Steve Hunt on eBay - he listed them as ‘Jaguar E-type Wiper Rack Snap End Clip’.
Richard
Previous owner and restorer of a S1 3.8 FHC Opalescent Golden Sand with Tan Trim 889504 (now sold and headed for Athens)
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#30 Re: Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
‘...As I pursue my PhD in wiper-parking, and in order for me for me to complete my thesis...’
Can’t help...but enjoying the read!
Can’t help...but enjoying the read!
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#31 Re: Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
Can't find the clips on Ebay any more unfortunately.
HOWEVER it turns out I have a secret Tutor who is overseeing my thesis at a distance and who has offered to post me such a clip tomorrow morning.
Does it get any better ?
I'm used to going to sleep and waking up to an answer from Australia, but not to posting just before my gym class and then returning to find today's problem has been solved.
Many thanks Simon.
PS Anyone else chasing these details might look here too
viewtopic.php?t=5484&sid=0a8e99e39052cc ... b093a5a076
HOWEVER it turns out I have a secret Tutor who is overseeing my thesis at a distance and who has offered to post me such a clip tomorrow morning.
Does it get any better ?
I'm used to going to sleep and waking up to an answer from Australia, but not to posting just before my gym class and then returning to find today's problem has been solved.
Many thanks Simon.
PS Anyone else chasing these details might look here too
viewtopic.php?t=5484&sid=0a8e99e39052cc ... b093a5a076
Rory
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#32 Re: Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
Hi Simon
You were indeed correct, my misunderstanding
So now I have to decide whether to pull these 2 ends apart to swop over the components... as naturally they are not handed
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#33 Re: Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
Couple of details that might help someone.
The three blips on the eccentric, that rumble along underneath the crinkly swash-plate, are necessary to creat the drag required to get the eccentric to flip one way or the other according to the direction of motor rotation.
These bits wear out, as does the swash-plate, see my earlier picture
particularly where its flats get chewed away - amazingly, the three blips are just a push-in fit, and I'm ashamed to say I made new ones from stainless self-tappers that work perfectly. The swash-plate is available from RM+J Smith, as is the cover to keep the indispensable grease in place.
I'll just get my coat.
The three blips on the eccentric, that rumble along underneath the crinkly swash-plate, are necessary to creat the drag required to get the eccentric to flip one way or the other according to the direction of motor rotation.
These bits wear out, as does the swash-plate, see my earlier picture
particularly where its flats get chewed away - amazingly, the three blips are just a push-in fit, and I'm ashamed to say I made new ones from stainless self-tappers that work perfectly. The swash-plate is available from RM+J Smith, as is the cover to keep the indispensable grease in place.
I'll just get my coat.
Rory
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#34 Re: Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
Knocking on three years later, car no nearer to being reassembled, memory fading fast.
Good job I wrote all this down !
In between times I've decided to move to LHD, so all my well-laid plans are of nought and I now have to modify the wipers ...............
I wrote this in January 2020
There is a truly magesterial electrical paper here in our Knowledge base
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x7f9u2g650up8 ... l.pdf?dl=1
that covers the wiring and how the switching obtains twin-speeds, and reverse.
but the famous Dropbox post link (it's titled "S1 Wiper motor operation guide") with the really useful wiring/electrical advice no longer works.
Could one of the Admins perhaps suggest where I might look for it ?
Good job I wrote all this down !
In between times I've decided to move to LHD, so all my well-laid plans are of nought and I now have to modify the wipers ...............
I wrote this in January 2020
There is a truly magesterial electrical paper here in our Knowledge base
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x7f9u2g650up8 ... l.pdf?dl=1
that covers the wiring and how the switching obtains twin-speeds, and reverse.
but the famous Dropbox post link (it's titled "S1 Wiper motor operation guide") with the really useful wiring/electrical advice no longer works.
Could one of the Admins perhaps suggest where I might look for it ?
Rory
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#35 Re: Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
All the documentation is still there, it is just you copied the link incorrectly - easy to do as the Forum software shortens it. If you go to the Forum KB and the 'Technical Information and Documentation' section you will find what you are looking for. e.g.
S1 Wiper motor operation guide: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x7f9u2g650up8 ... l.pdf?dl=1
Wiper motor LHD to RHD conversion: http://www.xkedata.com/resources/read/?id=9
Wiper motor operation (5 wire): http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/electricstext2.htm#wipers
You can click on these links but don't try copying them as is if they have ... in the middle.
S1 Wiper motor operation guide: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x7f9u2g650up8 ... l.pdf?dl=1
Wiper motor LHD to RHD conversion: http://www.xkedata.com/resources/read/?id=9
Wiper motor operation (5 wire): http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/electricstext2.htm#wipers
You can click on these links but don't try copying them as is if they have ... in the middle.
David Jones
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#36 Re: Wiper Drive Pimary Link, Eccentric, and Wiper Parking.
Thanks a million David, it won't open the Dropbox (says Archive damaged, unknown format, well something like that in French !) BUT if I download it, then I can open it like any other .pdf
Great service.
xx
Great service.
xx
Rory
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