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Post by Mich7920 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:59 pm

Hi Bill,

At each side of the Hub you have the bearings in first BUT to set up the preload of this kind of tappered bearing you need to put betwen them your tube spacer and some shims.
This is the first things to do.
Fit one bearing, fit the tube and shims and at the other side the other bearing. The bearing must "float" but not too much that why there is some shims.
Now you must to put it on a simple jig to set up the preload. Forget the other parts, they'll come at last. Look at this video, try to find other on the same subject.

Get the service manual to know the pre load value
After cheking and set up the preload, putting or fit out the shims, you can continue.
ON EACH SIDE you put :
One Fulcrum shaft spacer
One Container for oil seal ( You make a mistake, the good order is in that side - container AND AFTER the seal. The seal regarding the ub opening and the tappered container facing the bearing)
One Felt oil Seal ( It's better to put it into deep oil before mounting)
One Oil seal seating ring
One Retaining washer

At that time it's better to press all that parts without the wishbone, the parts get there owne mecanical place. Use the axle some large washer and well tight the nuts.

Then you can mount the wishbone.
When the wishbone is in place on the Hup with his axle and nuts well tight. Mesure the right and left gauge. Sure you have too much space in one side or other. Look at the technical book for the good space.
This is time to put the other shims which are larger.( Fit out the wishbone in first of course )
You know what thikness you need on each side, so put the correct shims.
Presse again the parts witout wishbone.
Now you are going to mount for the last time the wishbone but as there is the shims it's not the same song. Be patient and careful for the shims.

I try to do my best but if it's not enough, mail me and I send you some more frame .

Mich
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Post by Bill B » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:10 pm

Mich7920 wrote:Hi Bill,

At each side of the Hub you have the bearings in first BUT to set up the preload of this kind of tappered bearing you need to put betwen them your tube spacer and some shims.
This is the first things to do.
Fit one bearing, fit the tube and shims and at the other side the other bearing. The bearing must "float" but not too much that why there is some shims.
Now you must to put it on a simple jig to set up the preload. Forget the other parts, they'll come at last. Look at this video, try to find other on the same subject.

Get the service manual to know the pre load value
After cheking and set up the preload, putting or fit out the shims, you can continue.
ON EACH SIDE you put :
One Fulcrum shaft spacer
One Container for oil seal ( You make a mistake, the good order is in that side - container AND AFTER the seal. The seal regarding the ub opening and the tappered container facing the bearing)
One Felt oil Seal ( It's better to put it into deep oil before mounting)
One Oil seal seating ring
One Retaining washer

At that time it's better to press all that parts without the wishbone, the parts get there owne mecanical place. Use the axle some large washer and well tight the nuts.

Then you can mount the wishbone.
When the wishbone is in place on the Hup with his axle and nuts well tight. Mesure the right and left gauge. Sure you have too much space in one side or other. Look at the technical book for the good space.
This is time to put the other shims which are larger.( Fit out the wishbone in first of course )
You know what thikness you need on each side, so put the correct shims.
Presse again the parts witout wishbone.
Now you are going to mount for the last time the wishbone but as there is the shims it's not the same song. Be patient and careful for the shims.

I try to do my best but if it's not enough, mail me and I send you some more frame .

Mich
OK.
Mich,
the guy in video appears to put the very thin ring in next to the tapered bearing.
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Post by Mich7920 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:42 pm

Yes I know, it's the second way to put the shims.
I don't know how you say this in English but the French translate is " it's not in the rules of art "
the Fulcrum shaft spacer is very thin it's not the better way to put a shim.
In the other side it's the tapered face of the container seal, not good also to be precise. But some guys do that.
The E Type rear suspension is very thin compared with some other brands and you have much power than a lot of them so it's important to be precise for this kind of E Type part.
There is an other video showing the set up of a Jaguar ( not E Type ) hub but it's similar. Sorry but I can't fine it.

An other video speaking about the preload bearing


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Post by mgcjag » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:03 pm

Hi All.... just had a reply from SNG...please see the attached photo of the order in which to fit the parts... note that part no C16624 is not supplied in the kit and you need to retain your original.. Steve

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Post by Mich7920 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:59 pm

Great, better that words !

The part missing is C16628 as it is write on the frame near the bearing ( and not C16624... )

Bill, you can buy it in new, SNG have them. Remember to fit it after mounting the seal and not just after the bearing.

With this, Bill, you are going to have the better Hub of the world!
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Post by Bill B » Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:21 pm

AWESOME. The felt seal retainer is shown reversed from the way it should be installed on this side of spacer tube, isn't it? Because the well oiled felt would go next to the bearing and the cupped shape retainer's more open part would go over the felt, leaving the less open, more fully metal side of the felt retainer to face the outside of the car..

Thank you for taking the time to get involved in this mess which has required an inordinate amount of head scratching and swearing.
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Post by Mich7920 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:48 pm

Oupss ??

From the beguining you make a mistake with the felt seal retainer, you put it in the wrong way ! As mgcjag tell you, It's to keep the grease in and road grime out.

you come for the first time in this forum with certitudes, do not seek advice from those who have already done this work properly, stay with your certitude!
Very sorry I spend time to try to understand something to someone who does not want to understand.

Sold your E Type man, and rapidly!
Scraching head so much for this simple work is not a good sign for you.
You are going to loose your head because E Type is a world that obviously you'll not understand... :lol:

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Post by mgcjag » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:17 pm

Hi Bill as far as i can tell the diagram and parts layout are correct..the felt is a seal to keep grease in and road dirt out.......not as a lubricating pad for the bearing... Steve
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Post by Bill B » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:26 pm

mgcjag wrote:Hi Bill as far as i can tell the diagram and parts layout are correct..the felt is a seal to keep grease in and road dirt out.......not as a lubricating pad for the bearing... Steve
AH.

So the "cup" side faces out, the felt goes into that, and then the large hole washer on top of that. At what point does one insert the large spacer (not shown)? After that is assembled or try and build all this around the spacer?
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Post by mgcjag » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:53 pm

Bill....what large spacer that isnt shown...was this in the kit?.....part No..? Ok do you mean the one large sleeve that replaces the two smaller ones....if so..have a look in the maintenance manual for assembly and setting the shims.. usa a dowel or 15mm copper tube to aid assembly, then push through the shaft...to replace the dowel.. Steve
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Post by Bill B » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:54 pm

Mich7920 wrote:Oupss ??

From the beguining you make a mistake with the felt seal retainer, you put it in the wrong way ! As mgcjag tell you, It's to keep the grease in and road grime out.

you come for the first time in this forum with certitudes, do not seek advice from those who have already done this work properly, stay with your certitude!
Very sorry I spend time to try to understand something to someone who does not want to understand.

Sold your E Type man, and rapidly!
Scraching head so much for this simple work is not a good sign for you.
You are going to loose your head because E Type is a world that obviously you'll not understand... :lol:

Mich
So, I thank you kindly. And you get angry with me. I see.

Are you auditioning for the job of wife. lol
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Post by Bill B » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:58 pm

mgcjag wrote:Bill....what large spacer that isnt shown...was this in the kit?.....part No..?
16628. goes against taper bearing, through Oil seal assembly and the nut bears on it.
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Post by Mich7920 » Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:26 am

:evil: :roll: :wink: ... :lol:

That's ok.

To finish this post before killing you... 3 photos with all the parts.

1 - The parts ( with the C16628 ) and the mounting way. Large shim at last.
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2 - Just to show you the "Sandwich". Don't mount it before like this, it's just for your understanding.

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3 - And for the other side? YOU ASK ME FOR THE OTHER SIDE ??

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Have a good day and done a good job NOW :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Post by mgcjag » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:26 pm

Hi Mich........That makes it really clear now....good that you kept giving help...thats what makes this forum so good.....all the best Steve
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Post by Mich7920 » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:38 pm

Hi Steve,

Good you kept your patience...That give me some more!

Thanks
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Post by Bill B » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:25 pm

Mich7920 wrote:Hi Steve,

Good you kept your patience...That give me some more!

Thanks
Mich
Ok, that's fantastic pic. Will you marry me?

Believe it or not, that's the way I put it in; it just doesn't look right.
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Post by Mich7920 » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:01 pm

You're too much Bill, realy too much !
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Post by Bill B » Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:46 pm

hmm. I knew something looked different. See that felt seal in the pic? I had some NOS same # from same vendor that I had gotten quite some time ago. Comparing the two, the new one furnished in the kit is about 33% thicker.
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Post by mgcjag » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:23 pm

Hi Bill....just put it all together and get on to the next job....dont worry its onky a bit of felt..Steve
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Post by 64etype » Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:28 pm

Bill B wrote:hmm. I knew something looked different. See that felt seal in the pic? I had some NOS same # from same vendor that I had gotten quite some time ago. Comparing the two, the new one furnished in the kit is about 33% thicker.
SKF part #11124 is a modern lip seal replacement. Use it and you won't have to ponder the intricacies of felt thickness.
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