Oil pressure gauge

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#1 Oil pressure gauge

Post by EDW3694 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:12 pm

Hello
When I turn the ignition on, my oil pressure gauge goes to about 90%. When the car is started it goes to maximum. A new pressure sensor was fitted in 2017.
I’m sure this isn’t how it should read, any ideas what is wrong?
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#2 Re: Oil pressure gauge

Post by cactusman » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:41 pm

Either the new sender is knackered, the wire from the gauge to the sender is grounded somewhere or possibly the instrument voltage regulator has died. However I am not sure if the V12 has the oil gauge powered from the regulator... Check your wiring diagram....and if it is ife expect the fuel gauge to be misbehaving too if it is the instrument voltage regulator. Five gets you ten it's the oil pressure sender. The reproduction ones are well known for being crap.

Having checked the diagram the oil pressure gauge is not fed from the instrument regulator so either the wire from the gauge to the sender is grounding somewhere or most likely the sender is dud. The gauge is rarely faulty.
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#3 Re: Oil pressure gauge

Post by JJC » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:18 pm

Hello ! This subject has been discussed in the past. Common problem, no worries. Call a Smiths dealer an order the mechanical gauge/set-up. Fairly easy install, and ,once warm, you will get spot on pressure readings. Gauge different, but can't tell...looks stock. FYI: rule of thumb....once warm, you get 10 lbs of pressure for every 1000 rpm's. No more, no less. Folks stating they get 40 lbs, etc, at 2000 rpm's, etc, probably still using electric gauge.. Its just junk....get the Smith's mechanical. They even provide the flexible, hi-strength oil line which makes the install so easy. You will love it. Best of luck.

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#4 Re: Oil pressure gauge

Post by EDW3694 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:09 am

Thanks for the responses. I’ve had look at the wiring and nothing is obvious. The new oil pressure sensor was installed when the engine was out of the car and now I’m trying to figure out how to get a hand to it to check the terminals. Which is the easiest route to it? Do I take off the exhaust system?
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#5 Re: Oil pressure gauge

Post by JJC » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:47 pm

Hi Simon:

Once again, easy solution to your problem....few simple steps.

1. Open bonnet
2. Remove electric oil sender.
3. Place electric sending unit in nearest garbage container.
4. Get hold of Smiths mechanical gauge and sending unit with kit.
5. If your my age, time for a bathroom break.
6. Install Smiths gauge and sending unit.
7 .Close bonnet
8. Enjoy your V12 E knowing your exact oil pressure at all times.

Happy motoring !
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#6 Re: Oil pressure gauge

Post by Nick V12 e type » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:33 pm

Hello Simon,

I’ve just recently swooped my nonfunctional oil sender for a new SNG one. It seems on the earlier V12 the sender is very inaccessible, later it was moved to the top of the engine.
My method
Raise car, remove front wheel, remove the splash guard in front of the vacuum bottle. Not easy but you can now reach in to remove the wire from the sender.

I now used a crow foot to go on to the sender and an extension bar + a UJ + second extension bar to my ratchet drive. The extension bar threaded through between the exhaust down pipe and the engine frame allowing me to turn the ratchet below the sump.
All in all not easy but it worked for me.

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#7 Re: Oil pressure gauge

Post by jagwit » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:20 pm

When re-commissioning a friend's car, we purchased a new sender AND gauge from the co now representing Smiths. The sender I received looked correct physically, but it was a mismatch against the gauge. It turned out the Gauge was wrong.

The second shipment they sent was correct.

I'm saying that perhaps the new sender or the gauge you have, is also not the correct unit.
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#8 Re: Oil pressure gauge

Post by Series1 Stu » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:33 pm

JJC wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:47 pm
Hi Simon:

Once again, easy solution to your problem....few simple steps.

1. Open bonnet
2. Remove electric oil sender.
3. Place electric sending unit in nearest garbage container.
4. Get hold of Smiths mechanical gauge and sending unit with kit.
5. If your my age, time for a bathroom break.
6. Install Smiths gauge and sending unit.
7 .Close bonnet
8. Enjoy your V12 E knowing your exact oil pressure at all times.

Happy motoring !
JC
Yes, we know that mechanical/capillary gauges are more accurate and reliable but that is not answering the question asked.
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#9 Re: Oil pressure gauge

Post by PeterCrespin » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:16 am

As for points 4 & 6, there is no such thing as a ‘sender unit’ for a wet gauge, unless you mean the sliding type that you can fit in five minutes without needing to open the dash panel :shock:
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#10 Re: Oil pressure gauge

Post by JJC » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:08 pm

Spot on.....the "wet gauge" simply taps into the oil system via a brass fitting on the top of the block on later V12's . What you see on your dash mounted Smiths gauge is exactly whats going on , real pressure reading in real time. Only way to fly.

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#11 Re: Oil pressure gauge

Post by Ole-xke1974 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:20 am

I'm lucky in the sense that my original gauge and replacement sender has worked for 8 years now. As back up, I mounted a motorcycle pressure gauge that plumbs directly into where the electric sender sits (with a few adapter bits). Both read the same.


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#12 Re: Oil pressure gauge

Post by Craig Balzer » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:59 pm

Can somebody (anybody) provide a one-stop-shopping website where I can find the Smiths mechanical oil gauge and sender (preferably for a Series III E-Type)? I have the stock gauge in the dash and two spare gauges: one 0-60 sq in and the other 0-100 sq in that can be converted to mechanical (or more accurately using the gauge face with modern/updated innards).


I have searched 5-6 sites to no avail.
I seem to recall one of the Jaguar clubs offering mechanical gauges/senders to club members -- is that still an option? who and where?

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#13 Re: Oil pressure gauge

Post by Heuer » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:43 am

Craig

The JDC used to offer a new electrical sender and gauge but it is no longer available. M&C Wilkinson sell a kit but it is only listed for the S1/2 cars: https://mcwilkinson.myshopify.com/produ ... lary-gauge

You could email/call them and see if they offer a S3 version. Try and avoid the steel braided hose version as you have to insulate it with shrink wrap - the standard plastic hose is easier to deal with.
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#14 Re: Oil pressure gauge

Post by Craig Balzer » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:51 pm

Dave

Thanx for the recommendation. I took it one step further and reached out to two outfits.

For the Series III guys, here are two options for upgrading to a mechanical oil pressure gauge.

For those on the east side of the Atlantic: as Dave mentioned above M&C Wilkinson sell a kit but it is only listed for the S1/2 cars. I asked about a Series III variant and they said:

"This gauge was made for an E-Type S1/S2 car so the bezel is correct for those models. You can use this on a V12 model, however, the bezel will not match the ones on your other gauges but you can swap this from your existing gauge to the new gauge if you wish for them to match.

If you require any further information, please do not hesitate to contact."

For those on the west side of the pond, I also asked Nisonger if they could take a new mechanical oil pressure gauge and apply the original gauge face to blend originality with accurate reliability. Peter Bayer replied:

"We are currently in the process of producing an e-Type 100 PSI mechanical Oil Press Gauge and should have pricing by mid November 2018, please contact us again at that time."

Hope this helps this looking for this upgrade on V12's

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#15 Re: Oil pressure gauge

Post by Heuer » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:42 pm

Removing the bezel is easy and I have done it when fitting a voltmeter in place of the ammeter - only takes a couple of minutes to do once the gauge is out.
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