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#21 Re: Car jacking

Post by Monkeyfinger » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:38 am

Getting way too subtle...
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#22 Re: Car jacking

Post by Moeregaard » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:21 pm

I'm with Andrew on not using the E-Type's factory jacking points. Jaguar didn't put a lot of meat in there to begin with, and if a car still has its original inner sills and related bits, lifting the car from here would make me really nervous. Chris Harvey mentions this in his book, "E-Type--End of an Era."

I like the Porsche jack. When I had my E-Types, I carried a scissor jack that probably came from some 1940s-era Yank tank, so it was more than up to the job. It was also heavy as hell. I welded an old socket to the business end, so that I could use a 1/2"-drive ratchet with an extension.
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#23 Re: Car jacking

Post by Lodgebaker » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:50 pm

Thanks - all great stuff. Just been on e-bay and getting one for my car.

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#24 Re: Car jacking

Post by Heuer » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:02 pm

Feedback please when you get/try it.
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#25 Re: Car jacking

Post by Monkeyfinger » Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:11 pm

Got a pretty much unused 944 jack and spent a few minutes making a suitable hardwood block to allow me to use it in different spots on the car. The jack is amazing quality alloy and looks ideal. I've not tried it in anger yet, but I dont foresee any issues.
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#26 Re: Car jacking

Post by bobsnicholson » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:11 am

Bought a scissor jack off Amazon recently. 90mm to 440mm lift with a ratchet. £25 new. It has a slotted top. I will carry a similar piece of "packing" to above.
Tried it out and all appears fine, Also feels extremely good quality.
The bonus is it fit's nice and snugly under the boot board in my V12 Roadster.
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#27 Re: Car jacking

Post by chrisfell » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:58 pm

I thought I’d check where the electric jack could be carried in my 2+2. I needn’t have worried, it easily fits under the boot board and is therefore suitable for any E, OTS, FHC or 2+2. (S1 and S2, I cant vouch for S3).

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As it is only a little more bulky than a manual scissor jack, fit in the wheel well isn’t an issue.

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There is still room for other bits:- a battery charger, spinner saver, set of spark plugs. And tucked around the wheel are two 1litre bottles of oil, two hardwood pads for the jack if the ground is soft, fan belts, jump leads, and a tow rope. And there’s room for more.

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Even with all this the boot board still lies quite flat.
(5” rims wearing full profile 185 tyres).

Added benefit of the electric jack is that the foot of the jack is much bigger than any manual scissor jack, and therefore much more stable. This jack is my current shop/garage jack. I prefer it to either of my trolley jacks, except when I need both front or rear wheels off the ground. It is regular use for cleaning and maintenance.
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#28 Re: Car jacking

Post by bobsnicholson » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:21 am

Ah spinner. My wheels on the S3 are spinners. I thought a hammer was the normal tool to use to release (shows how new i am to this E-Type lark)
So that tool you have Chris, where would i get one please. :hammer:
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#29 Re: Car jacking

Post by chrisfell » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:58 am

I have two spinner savers, one home made from several sheets of plywood glued and drilled appropriately, the other, pictured above, came from SNGB.

Try here. https://www.sngbarratt.com/uk/#!/Englis ... 2d412fddee

Make a note of this website, you will not regret it.
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#30 Re: Car jacking

Post by Heuer » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:16 am

The only spinner tool worth having at a reasonable price is the one made by Lionel:
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You should also consider getting a lead mallet to replace the copper/hide one which will damage your spinners:
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The wooden "tool" that SNGB and the other usuals sell is about as much use as a chocolate teapot. It is a health and safety hazard to both you and the car's bodywork. There is a full review of all the spinner tools here: http://forum.etypeuk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=657

Lionel's number is 07947712427 or Cjservices1931@aol.com
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#31 Re: Car jacking

Post by AshM » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:18 pm

+1 for David's recommendation. I carry a S2 version (no ears on my spinners) along with a large, extendable socket bar, permanently fitted with the pre-requisite 38mm socket.

Works a treat and no risk to metalwork.
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#32 Re: Car jacking

Post by chrisfell » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:19 pm

Despite the experiences of others, I do not have, nor do I feel the need, for a lead hammer, I use the hide side of the copper hide mallet. It doesn’t mark the spinner. Neither do I feel the spinner saver is useless, nor a hazard to my car’s bodywork or mine. Correctly used, it works perfectly well. Ditto the copper hide mallet. I am told that incorrectly used any tool is a hazard.

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#33 Re: Car jacking

Post by Monkeyfinger » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:48 am

Good to see the electric jack fits nicely in the boot. To further add to the wheel removal debate, I recently purchased one of the alloy spinner adaptors - whilst it works, I have still found it necessary to use my heavy hammer and the standard bronze remover, to get things started. Possibly my issue is that I only have a 1/2" socket and breaker bar. I guess I need a longer lever or more weight on the end of it (I am working tirelessly on that option...)
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#34 Re: Car jacking

Post by bobsnicholson » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:39 am

Reading above and correct me if i am wrong the only tool needed really to remove the spinner is an appropriate hammer, loosen the spinner a little, jack the car up tap off.
Or, are things not that simple????????
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#35 Re: Car jacking

Post by Monkeyfinger » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:50 am

I have earless spinners - basic kit is to use a bronze eared adapter which you then strike forcibly with a large blunt instrument of choice. If you have earlier, eared spinners, I believe you can hit the ears directly, but of course there is significant risk of damaging the chrome.
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#36 Re: Car jacking

Post by chrisfell » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:32 am

“Or, are things not that simple????????”

Yup, it is that simple.
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#37 Re: Car jacking

Post by Heuer » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:12 pm

The spinners should be tightened to 220lb/ft. Three whacks with a lead hammer usually achieves that (wheels off the ground, spinner hand tight). With Lionel's tool you start by tightening the spinner with a torque wrench until muscle memory teaches you how much force to apply. After that a 3/4" socket and telescopic breaker bar are all you need for tightening or losening. 220 lb/ft is not massively tight and you will be surprised how easy it is to get the wheels off. I still carry a lead mallet (in deference to my NOS spinners which are irreplaceable) in case I need more force.

Incidentally Thor sell a lead mallet and the extra mass is helpful. Only downside is the lead eventually gets badly dented but better a £35 mallet than four spinners. A lot of people in the US melt the head and recast it - seems they can buy lead hammers together with matching moulds, something we are not allowed to do in the EU.
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#38 Re: Car jacking

Post by Barry » Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:37 am

David is absolutely right. The laminated timber effort is certainly useless, unless you want to penny pinch on the correct solution. Give Lionel a ring, as David says.

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#39 Re: Car jacking

Post by neal herridge » Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:48 am

I use a Thor nylon faced mallet No. 716 it has 2" dia faces & has a weight of 2 3/4 lbs.
A big plus is that the ends screw in & can be replaced if need be & they will not mark the spinners.
We use these hammers in the machine shop mostly on the mills to tap down parts before machining & they do not mark aluminium, they come in different sizes .
Lots of uses encouraging things to fit.
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#40 Re: Car jacking

Post by malcolm » Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:53 am

The title of this thread makes me shiver! Keep imagining gangs surrounding my car and demanding the keys.
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