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#1 Forgery or rare?

Post by SimonP » Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:39 am

Hoping for some direction on this one. I am looking at buying a 1962 fhc 3.8. The data plate and stamp on the picture frame says the chassis/vin is 863881. These are both consistent but sits outside the documented etype numbers as noted on xkedata and original build sheet. Body number v3881. Engine number RA4842-8. Something is not adding up here. The car was renovated in 2010 and the data plate looks older and has old and new rivets holding it to the body.
Anyone had numbers sitting outside of the range for a rhd fhc?
Is there a oracle that I can check these numbers with?
Thanks in advance
SimonP

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#2 Re: Forgery or rare?

Post by abowie » Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:37 am

Having had a look at XKE Data, they don't think it's a valid number.

Where is the car?
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881824, 1E21538. 889457..oops. Jezza the V12 XJS race car.
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#3 Re: Forgery or rare?

Post by abowie » Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:55 am

So looking at XKE data, there were 767 RHD 3.8 FHC's built.

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I may be wrong but the last RHD 3.8 FHC I can find on XKE Data is 861799

http://www.xkedata.com/cars/detail/?car=861799

Sure your plate doesn't say 860881?
Andrew.
881824, 1E21538. 889457..oops. Jezza the V12 XJS race car.
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#4 Re: Forgery or rare?

Post by mgcjag » Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:20 am

As Andrew has said above...863 is an odd number....you need a Heritage certificate..you could post photos here for a better response to originality etc...Steve
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#5 Re: Forgery or rare?

Post by Simon P » Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:17 am

Different 'Simon P', BTW.....

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#6 Re: Forgery or rare?

Post by Heuer » Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:22 am

Post a photo of the data plate as we know the font used.
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#7 Re: Forgery or rare?

Post by SimonP » Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:43 am

Thanks andrew and SimonP (I am sorry for using your handle)
The car is in Queensland and the picture window stamp and the data plate are both 863881. If it was 860881 it would be correct but both are definitely a 3. Diseased estate so there are some
Mysteries we may never solve. I will post a photo of the plate tomorrow once I have received a clear photo of the plate.
Thanks all for helping
Simon (p)

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#8 Re: Forgery or rare?

Post by Simon P » Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:22 am

SimonP wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:43 am
Thanks andrew and SimonP (I am sorry for using your handle)
No problem. If you're a Simon P and you like E-types then that's a good thing to be in my book :bigrin:

Also, don't worry - if you're even vaguely mechanical people will soon figure out that it's you posting, not me!

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#9 Re: Forgery or rare?

Post by Gfhug » Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:58 pm

Two Simon Ps? Can the world cope :lol:
Is the topic title relevant? Is one a forgery, well not rare if there are two of you!

Welcome to the forum new Simon P, the best place for all things E Type. Good luck with hunting for a car.
We’ll have to call the other one Old Simon in future :wink:

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