Help on Austin A70 engine needed

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#1 Help on Austin A70 engine needed

Post by Alex » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:59 pm

Hello guys,

Hope you will be able to help me with another toy. I got a vintage car which has Austin A70 (1948-1955) 2.2 engine fitted.

I have done some maintenance, replaced oil and fuel pump membrane and was started the engine this weekend.

It definitely has carburettor or timing issues - car runs very unstable, lots of black smoke, spits fuel, consumes about 0.5l of petrol per 10 minutes of idling (if I am lucky to get it running that long).
It has Zenith 36 WIA-2 carburettor fitted.

I tried to turn distributor both ways, but it didn't have much effect. Only playing with choke could extend engine running before it stalls.

What do you suggest to do? Get a timing light and try it? Something else?

Regards,
Alex

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Post by christopher storey » Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:53 am

What did the carburetter come from ? If it is from a 6 cylinder Ford, it is probably wrongly jetted for the A70. The first thing to do is to time it statically i.e. with the points correctly set at 0.012 to 0.014 inches, they should just be cracking open at perhaps 6 degrees BTDC ( that is a guess but won't be far wrong ) . If you still get uneven running and black smoke then it points to heavily overrich mixture . Take that air cleaner off and look down the carb. Is the choke flap stuck on ? Is the float punctured ? If still no clue, take the carb lid off and identify the jets and their sizes ( they usually have the size etched on the face of the jet ) . You will just have to go systematically through the system to try and identify the fault. Good Luck !

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Post by abowie » Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:49 pm

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Post by Alex » Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:16 pm

What did the carburetter come from ? If it is from a 6 cylinder Ford, it is probably wrongly jetted for the A70.
No idea, as far as I know it was running OK on this car until it was parked for 6 months or so, and I can't get it running properly since.

The first thing to do is to time it statically i.e. with the points correctly set at 0.012 to 0.014 inches, they should just be cracking open at perhaps 6 degrees BTDC ( that is a guess but won't be far wrong ).
Do you mean valves/rockers gaps at 0.012 to 0.014 inches?
Done already.





If you still get uneven running and black smoke then it points to heavily overrich mixture . Take that air cleaner off and look down the carb. Is the choke flap stuck on ? Is the float punctured ? If still no clue, take the carb lid off and identify the jets and their sizes ( they usually have the size etched on the face of the jet ) .
I think overrich mixture is the problem, but how to fix it?
I removed the carb, took it apart and have cleaned it, it looks OK now, float has no punctures. The only thing which I couldn't remove was jet tube, I didn't want to break it. Can the issue be inside jet tube? How to measure if fuel flow is excessive?



You will just have to go systematically through the system to try and identify the fault. Good Luck !
I am happy to do it all, I just don't know what to do, I am not specialist in it yet... Should I buy timing light?

I don't think it's incorrect carburettor for the engine, as it was also fitted on FORD ZEPHYR 6 MK3 with 2.55l engine

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Post by christopher storey » Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:44 am

No, I meant, as I said, the contact breaker points gap . The static timing I gave, as it turns out from Andrew's data, was as near correct as makes no difference ( 6.5 degs BTDC is correct ) . Has this really been "done already" if you have been swinging the distributor back and forth ? A timing light helps , but it is really only any use if you know the basics. It is worth checking the distributor to see that the mechanical advance weights are not stuck, but the black smoke points almost inescapably to a carburetter problem. The Ford Zephyr is a completely different type of engine, with greater capacity , rather higher revving, and much more modern in design , with nearly square dimensions rather than being heavily long-stroke as is the A70 unit. I think it is unlikely that the carburetter will be suitable for the A70 without re-jetting and in particular , possibly a smaller venturi size , 31 being correct for the A70

Don't force anything in the carburetter. I suppose that a blockage in the jet tube is a possibility, but I would think this would cause weak rather than rich mixture, unless the blockage is in the compensator jet, when it could have this effect. If the fixtures will not come out of the carb easily, then you could try giving it an immersion in very hot water with some reasonably strong detergent ( near boiling ) for perhaps half an hour, and then try again

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Post by David Oslo » Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:33 pm

Just going from the symptoms alone I would say the carb needs a full rebuild. Clues are that the car ran originally (e.g. not the wrong carb) and now is struggling after a period of sitting. I would think of gunged up fuel, residue, maybe a seal or diaphragm or rubber part has either perished or has stiffened. I've been there / done that on several Land Rover carb's from the same era.

Along the way I heard from one of the most experienced engine builders over here (who happens to be in the classic car scene) that he noticed a lot of carb issues at around the same time leaded fuel disappeared and we all started to use the magic bottle of lead replacement, splashed into each tank of fuel. He reckons it was the cause of many gummed carbs, and he doesn't use it. He says the modern fuels have soft elements in them which don't damage the valve seats, and this is him talking from his experience of working inside engines for a living.

Anyhow, back on track, full overhaul of the carb, or see if you can pick up a replacement carb. On my last round on this on the Land Rover, I found that a full overhaul kit was just slightly less than a new carb from India (where they still use that particular Solex on a version of a Jeep vehicle).

And yes, at the same time you need to gap the points and set the timing, given that its all been twiddled with.
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Post by christopher storey » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:03 am

David : the carburetter is not the correct one for the A70, or for that matter its predecessor the Austin 16 . The early 16s had a 36VEI-4 ( probably only in 1939 with a 27mm choke ) and the postwar ones and the A70 had 42 VI-8, all with 31 mm chokes . It may be that the engine ran previously with this carb installed, but that is not an indication that it is the correct one for the engine. I think it is far more likely that your diagnosis of gum etc is correct

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