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#1 Viability of Electric Vehicles

Post by christopher storey » Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:02 am

This really has little to do with E types, but has relevance for all of us who have used traditional internal combustion engines . It is a report by a committee of MPs which makes for some fairly startling reading

https://fairfueluk.com/APPG-FFUK/64/

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#2 Re: Viability of Electric Vehicles

Post by Gfhug » Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:00 pm

Chris, thanks for that information.
But will any Prime Minster/President/Leader of the Opposition of any political flavour listen to such information? :banghead:

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#3 Re: Viability of Electric Vehicles

Post by Series1 Stu » Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:34 pm

There are plenty of pressure and lobby groups out there trying to influence government from their own (often biassed) points of view so don't think these views aren't being heard.

I love my petrol powered cars as much as the next man but one thing is clear, we can't go on with the population increase we are seeing and the expectation to carry on doing things the way we always have. Something has to give. Personally, I think we made some bad decisions in the past around nuclear generation. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would strongly disagree with me but we could be in a much better energy position had we continued with the program. Does anybody remember the government's promise of free electricity?

Are there any correct decisions? I don't think so. Are there any best decisions? Well, it depends on your point of view.

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#4 Re: Viability of Electric Vehicles

Post by christopher storey » Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:57 pm

Stuart, I could not agree with you more about nuclear power ; however, we have now left it too late for that to be a solution by 2050, and in any case the potential for catastrophic accident will always be there . I just do not see how electric cars can ever be fuelled without something else having to go dark, as it were. I well remember the "load shedding" powercuts of my childhood occurring on many evenings between about 5 and 7 pm :sad:

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#5 Re: Viability of Electric Vehicles

Post by V12 Epyte » Mon Aug 09, 2021 8:25 pm

Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicle

https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/new-mirai/
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#6 Re: Viability of Electric Vehicles

Post by Fuel.inj » Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:25 pm

This push by the Government to go electric is all well and good. Where is the infrastructure to support this transition? We were conned by the powers to be into buying diesels in the 90’s, now they are are bad news.
Surely hydrogen will be the future? I don’t want to be driving a soulless fast milk float.
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#7 Re: Viability of Electric Vehicles

Post by max-it-out » Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:02 am

"Just watched the Guy Martin tv show about electric vehicles , where he drove from Lincs up to the top of Scotland and back . I was surprised at the cost of charging the EV - substantially more :?: vs. diesel ."


I always thought low cost was one of the main selling points for EV s :thumbdown:
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#8 Re: Viability of Electric Vehicles

Post by malcolm » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:36 pm

I noted that. EV charge costs were£205 vs £140 for a diesel equivalent as I recall - where does the repay come when you consider the extra upfront costs?
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#9 Re: Viability of Electric Vehicles

Post by grb90 » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:51 pm

Interesting video on You tube.

Thought provoking
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#10 Re: Viability of Electric Vehicles

Post by Fuel.inj » Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:37 pm

I watched the JCB you-tube a while ago and was very impressed by the company producing hydrogen fuelled engines in quite high volumes. This has to be the way to go in the future. I know that the big manufacturers such as Volvo trucks and VW are ploughing a lot of funds into research.
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#11 Re: Viability of Electric Vehicles

Post by chrisfell » Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:38 am

V12 Epyte wrote:
Mon Aug 09, 2021 8:25 pm
Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicle

https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/new-mirai/
James May has a new one (to replace the old one he had previously). He loves the car, but….
It has limited utility vale. His nearest fuelling station is the Cobham services in the M25. He claims it is the only one currently open in southern England. Bloody useless if May wants to drive to his Wiltshire home (little more than a mile from where I am right now).

Basically, May can drive his car to fill it up and them drive home again. Plus a little pootling around with a GoPro stuck to his windscreen.
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#12 Re: Viability of Electric Vehicles

Post by grb90 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:40 pm

Isn't that a hydrogen fuel cell system, still utilising battery electric propulsion..? Whereas JCB and F1 are trialling hydrogen combustion engines. Although you rightly point out the deficiency of the system currently with lack of outlets! And of course if we do go this route the next thing will be water shortages!!! :roll:
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#13 Re: Viability of Electric Vehicles

Post by Fuel.inj » Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:29 am

Not in Wales. We’ve got plenty of the wet stuff!😉
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#14 Re: Viability of Electric Vehicles

Post by grb90 » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:39 pm

So electric cars in England, Hydrogen cars in Wales and traditional petrol cars in Scotland then!!!! :roll:
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Post by Phil2+2 » Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:04 pm

Isnt water a by product of burning Hydrogen?
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#16 Re: Viability of Electric Vehicles

Post by steve3.8 » Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:02 am

Re Christopher's first post , we have regularly travelled from Nottinghamshire to SE Kent [220 miles] over the last ten years and normally stop off at either Cambridge or Bishops Stortford .It is of some amusement to watch people wait their turn and shuffle around to charge up-- there are only 2 charge points at BS .
I was expecting to see a big increase in the number of charge points over the last couple of years given the announcements by the government but no . Cambridge for example has just undergone a major bypass and services re development --yet they have installed just 4 charge points :lol: with parking for some 300+ cars ????, if they were serious about the incoming of electric vehicles it would probably need 40 chargers .

This is Bishops Stortford carpark and the 2 charge points
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It does'nt take much to work out that if it takes an hour to recharge v's 10 minutes to refuel we need x amount of charge points . EV's range, 100% performance ,practicality and cost are extra issues ! .
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#17 Re: Viability of Electric Vehicles

Post by Series1 Stu » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:30 pm

Then you have to contend with the f***wits that don't give a damn about such things.

A few weeks ago I spotted a Golf R32 parked across 2 charging bays - just because they were closest to the services and the driver's flabby legged girlfriend was too lazy to walk "all that way" to the toilets.

What can you do about things like that?

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