The Angus Moss Collection

SEJohnson95 · Post by **SEJohnson95** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:18 pm

obviously an original UK car, FSH, provenance, famous owner, all docs and tools I assume? Hold on, have I woken up in 1975? :D

Most amusing

A 4.2 OTS to restore would be enough. By the time I get the chance to buy one I dread to think of the price

Tony · Post by **Tony** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:45 pm

Why does anybody buy an E a Type and spend the rest of the time worrying about the jack. Why not buy an original jack and then look for a car to match. It sounds as if the car is much easier to obtain. I am not sure what type of jack I have but as long as it lifts the car up I don't care. As to its colour?. It must be Friday I am feeling controversial.

Post by **Heuer** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:30 am

ernie wrote:Yes David, but EFI...too extreme / expensive for the benefit for me, throttle yes will do, electronic ignition yes (but possibly only 123), ...

Sure about that? Here's one Harry did earlier:

It was the best E-Type Angus and I have ever driven!

ernie · Post by **ernie** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:38 am

I remember Angus raving about the car when we spoke...but also the remember the cost was somewhat north of ?5k...

markc555 · Post by **markc555** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:19 am

Is that the biggest oil catch tank in the world

andrewh · Post by **andrewh** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:56 pm

Can someone tell me why we need and oil catch tank? I have a series 2 with me here at the moment and it has such an animal and I was wondering if it was original?

Post by **Heuer** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:38 pm

Not original and used when the standard air filter plenum has been replaced with an after market version with no provision for vacuum extraction. This is what happens when cars don't use an oil catcher of some sort:

Can be a bit hazardous for motor bikes!

Post by **Heuer** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:43 pm

Some more 'teaser' shots of the silver FHC:

Last picture is particularly interesting as it shows how the Factory butted the trims together. The beading is reverse chamfered to get a perfect dovetail to the headlamp rim.

andrewh · Post by **andrewh** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:39 am

thanks David. of course its obvious when you think about it. The car I have has been converted to triple Dellortos in replacement of the twin Stromberg US set up. thanks a lot.

Simon P · Post by **Simon P** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:01 am

My twin Dell'Orto Fulvia had a catch tank. Like David says it's necessary if your car doesn't chuck the oil back through the carbs to be burnt off: venting straight to the atmosphere is a no-no - although in reality there can't be many cars left where this is still an issue.

David Oslo · Post by **David Oslo** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:10 pm

Lovely teaser pictures of the grey FHC.

Dare I ask if it's wearing it's original (and now matte) paint? And what particular colour would that be? Gunmetal or the darker of the Silver Greys. I presume the latter.

Cheers !

Post by **Heuer** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:16 pm

Yes, original Opalescent silver Grey and the second job (after re-commissioning and getting to on the road) will be to have the paint 'corrected' by a skilled Detailer. This should bring the finish back to original and highlight those areas that will need touching in by the paint shop; with that done it will be back to the Detailer to finish. Essential it is done that way around so the rejuvenated paint can be matched properly. Preservation is always more difficult than restoration.

David Oslo · Post by **David Oslo** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:31 pm

Got it !

My FHC reminds me very much of your teaser pictures, at least in terms of originality (if not colour). Mine is a two owner car, parked for 25+ years in up-state New York. First owner drove it for 12 years then died, and car stood inside for years, until it changed to 2nd owner 7 years ago. Done only 700 miles then. Time-warp. No rust. Original paint. Unfortunately I'm not a big fan of Primrose, hence strongly considering one of the greys.

It's only original once, sure ... but it is yellow.... Engine is out of car now and getting stripped for full rebuild. Found a 4 speed MOD 'box which will also get new bearings and syncro rings before it all goes back together. Nice to have a few winter projects :D

christopher storey · Post by **christopher storey** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:32 am

I hate to say this, but if that paint is original I'll eat my hat . Look at the sealant ( sprayed silver ) on the shut face of the bulkhead, and even more so, the runs on the slanting face of the footwell near to the fuel filter . Furthermore , I would lay odds that the bonnet frames have been off the car, as I do not think the factory ever used sealant between them and the bulkhead

PeterCrespin · Post by **PeterCrespin** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:29 pm

David Oslo wrote:Got it !

My FHC reminds me very much of your teaser pictures....Time-warp. No rust......Found a 4 speed MOD 'box which will also get new bearings and syncro rings before it all goes back together.

It won't be going back together with an MOD box unless you do a LOT of hacking and shorten the propshaft.

PeterCrespin · Post by **PeterCrespin** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:35 pm

christopher storey wrote:I hate to say this, but if that paint is original I'll eat my hat . Look at the sealant ( sprayed silver ) on the shut face of the bulkhead, and even more so, the runs on the slanting face of the footwell near to the fuel filter . Furthermore , I would lay odds that the bonnet frames have been off the car, as I do not think the factory ever used sealant between them and the bulkhead

Looks original to me. Badly DIY 'tickled' perhaps, but sealant around (not between) the frame anchor points was SOP for many years.

I could believe the runs too, given they are out of normal sight. They are about at the limit of what I expect them to pass without rectification but the certainly could be original.

Pete
PS Loved your 'lifestyle' comments in the JEC mag!

MarkE · Post by **MarkE** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:38 pm

All three of my cars were in original paint, and they had plenty of runs and a lot of orange peel on the bulkhead and the frames. No sealent between the frames and the bulkhead though.

My S1 wasn't quite good enough to leave original under the bonnet as it has a few scratches and scrapes in odd places, but I've left the S3 exactly as it left the factory...and it still looks good after 42 years!

Keep it Primrose David (Oslo) !!

I do like your enthusiasm for the originality of the silver car David (J)...you will soon be converted to the need for matching numbers as well!

Mark

PeterCrespin · Post by **PeterCrespin** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:59 pm

MarkE wrote: No sealent between the frames and the bulkhead though.

Not 'between' the frames and bulkhead, but 'around' the anchor plates and under the paint. A dum-dum type of seam sealant to prevent capillary ingress of water. I've seen a lot of cars with it. Which is not to say this silver one might not have been done after the fact but the OEM sealant looks pretty rough sometimes.

It would be interesting to plot a time correlation to figure out when the practice was introduced. Most of my Es have been '68 or later. Of course a big issue would be the certainty or otherwise that it was original. However, since I suspect not many modern uber-restorers or paint shop slap sealer around the fishplates today, I guess there's a good chance that those that appear to have it, were done at the factory?

Simon P · Post by **Simon P** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:35 pm

Interesting place to keep a spare key in your V12, Mark. Presumably if you lock yourself out all you need do is get in the car so you can open the bonnet and then you can open... errrr....hang on, I think I've confused even myself....

:D

MarkE · Post by **MarkE** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:00 pm

That's where the factory put it Simon! Most folks have removed theirs is the belief that it makes the car less secure leaving it there. They don't realize that the cars can be opened and started with a screwdriver!

Mark

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