Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

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#21 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by ralphr1780 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:10 am

MarekH wrote:Dear Jim,

They all look nice on the internet, especially if you hire a professional photographer rather than make-do with a mate whose got a cameraphone.

Sadly, the client has had the car painted in 2pack paint, so once you get close, you'll see it is just as wavy and stippled as any modern car. To truly "restore" one of these cars, you'd really have to use a paint which dries flat - modern water based and all 2pack epoxy paints have a natural "bumpy" finish which becomes obvious when viewed under a striplight. It's a tragedy really, considering the amount of money they must have spent.

I think if the JCNA were to deduct points for that, then people would sit up and take notice and the trickle down effect would be that restored cars would look unrestored and that must surely be the desired result.

It looks absolutely lovely, but you wouldn't repaint the Mona Lisa in acrylics would you? In that respect, it isn't a restoration - it is now something else.

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Marek, you probably mean 2pack acrylic paint (paint and hardener, basecoat and clearcoat).
There are different paint qualities on the market.
The good ones, when applied on well prepared surface and as per the manufacturer's recommendations with proper equipment / cabin / conditions, would dry flat with no bumpy finish.
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#22 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by MarekH » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:58 pm

Acrylic - water based organic compound which air cures. Low toxicity (relatively speaking) as it is mostly water/O2 which is the agent as the organic compound polymerises, i.e. cross-bonds, cures or what have you) to give a hard durable finish relatively immune to solvents. Think of it as 1pack as it doesn't need a second "hardener" additive. OEM factory finish.

2pack - typically an isocyanate and a polyol mixed to a certain defined ratio. Cures exothermically, assisted by heat (and sometimes using trace amounts of nasties like mercury), hence spray booth is typically heated to 40'c. Once cured, what you have is an extremely hard and durable and mostly inert polyurethane compound. Has a limited "pot life" before gelling up. The ones I use vary between thirty seconds to half an hour, depending on compound. Professional refinishers only.

Old school enamels and cellulose paints. Solid matrix of pigment(s) in a volatile solvent. Easily attacked by solvent, relatively soft, takes ages to cure. Available to every man and his dog.

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#23 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by 64etype » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:37 pm

...OEM was acrylic in the '60s?
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#24 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by MarekH » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:36 pm

That should read "OEM today". I believe some sort of enamel finish was OEM back in the day.

Thank you for correcting me.

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#25 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by Heuer » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:19 pm

All E-Type's were painted with 'synthetic enamel' which was used by Jaguar between 1952 and 1979.
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#26 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by ralphr1780 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:32 pm

Heuer wrote:All E-Type's were painted with 'synthetic enamel' which was used by Jaguar between 1952 and 1979.
OEM of that period was indeed "synthetic" while refinish was nitrocellulose.
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#27 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by Herzeg » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:45 pm

Haven't got a clue about the different paint finishes, all I can say is the pictures look stunning. I am fortunate enough that I have seen the finished car in Angus's shop. I thought the car was superb but the pictures look even better. We all look for perfection yet some think perfection has to be modern and some think it original. If you check Angus's work in progress, mine is the Regency Red OTS he's currently working on. When I get it back, some things will be restored original and some will be new but sympathetic. What it means is I can drive it every day I want.

All I can hope for is that Angus and his lads will apply their usual degree of perfection to the work and keep making me good cups of tea whilst Angus spends my kids inheritance (only joking Angus). That's enough for me.

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#28 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by BRM » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:53 am

He does have a way of separating you from your money almost without you noticing. I think he must put some kind of anaesthetic in the tea.

Joking aside I must say I'm glad I took Angus's advice on almost everything - though in a couple of cases I resisted his pleas to powder coat everything he touched. I ended up with a car which is mechanically spot-on and should be reliable for many years to come. I have done two long trips to France in the last year or so and would happily drive it anywhere. Murray and Leon are brilliant too and very motivated - the quality of biscuits provided by the management must have improved !

Much as I admire, like everyone else, the car which is the subject of this thread, I really wouldn't want a car that good. I would be afraid to touch it, let alone take it out in traffic and I suspect this car will never be used as it should be. I'll stick with mine, far from perfect but I'm not afraid to use it and enjoy it.
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#29 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by ernie » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:55 pm

After dealing with Angus for almost 3 years during the restoration of my S2, I can honestly say that the quality of the work that Angus and his team produce is outstanding...mind you havent taken delivery yet :fingerscrossed:
What I like is that you can choose the extent of the rebuild/ refurbish...from concours to more reliable runaround. That surely is the best thing.....you can end up with car that reflects your own requirements and pocket. Angus does not pretend to produce concours cars for every customer, they are gently improved to make them a reliable runner without spoiling the original feel and look of the car.
It would be sad world if every car was a full concour restoration..that would not be driven very much. Lets face it, when the cars were origainlly built they had flaws in production quality, compounded by alot of cost control. It doesnt stop the E type being a fantastic car to drive, own and admire.
I personally am glad to be able to drive a car that is better than it was new...and by drive i mean drive it..hence wanting a reliable car with subtle upgrades...than goodness we are all differant. To me I look at an etype as a work of art not a musuem piece...a driving machine that is optionally capable of having its driving capability and usablity of being upgraded without losing the sporting essence of the car.
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#30 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by MarekH » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:16 pm

And Angus's website is very helpful those who are still undecided as to finding a shop where to get work done. It demonstrates how much work goes in to achieving a successful result.

My car most certainly no longer looks anything like the one in the pictures:- it is a five hour round trip stop-start around the M25 every time I have visited Angus, usually raining and only back home after dark. (David's front light relay mod works a treat.)

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#31 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by calijag » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:08 am

link to Angus's website?
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#32 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by Nickleback » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:32 am

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#33 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by Heuer » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:59 am

Angus sent me these photos of his latest restoration for a Forum member which features Marek's front headlight conversion and rear lenses with integrated reversing lights. Quite a stunning look and maybe how Jaguar could have developed the S2. The car drives and handles as good as it looks:
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Hopefully it will make an appearance at Bicester.
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#34 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by politeperson » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:41 pm

I love it.

Mareks Headlamps look excellent.

Might have to have a go.
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#35 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by ernie » Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:25 pm

It will be at Bicester, will also try to post picture of rear end treatment (lights, number plate etc).
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#36 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by 288gto » Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:25 pm

ernie wrote:It will be at Bicester, will also try to post picture of rear end treatment (lights, number plate etc).
It looks fantastic, Angus and his crew have done a fantastic job. I'd be very interested in more pics of the rear light set up.


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#37 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by MarekH » Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:08 pm

It is very nicely photographed and a credit to all of the hard work that Angus must have put in to make it look that good.

The rear light concept has since been developed so that the Lotus reversing light can also be made to light up red and thus be used as an extra stop light or fog light should one wish, when not being used for reversing. I guess that could be done for the s1 reversing light, should people want it so.

Let's hope the weather this year at Bicester will be as good as last year. It was a nice day out and the time went by all too quickly.

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#38 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by Heuer » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:45 pm

Great work Marek - I know how much effort you have put into both the headlamps and rear lenses. I have to say this S2 is probably one of the most beautiful E-Type's I have seen. The looks of the S1 with all the benefits of S2 development. Credit to all involved and I have no doubt it will be the star attraction at Bicester.

Ernie - I know you had a long (sometimes frustrating) time getting this car but my God, it has been worth the wait. You are a very lucky man! :yellow:
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#39 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by ralphr1780 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:57 am

Gorgeous looks! I like very much the smoother look without any side mirror. Just a slight impression that the light reflection seems a bit different on the door and bonnet compared to rest of body.
Great colour combo too. Wishing the lucky owner all pleasure and success!
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#40 Re: Moss Jaguar - Restoration work

Post by 64etype » Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:47 pm

Very nicely executed. A "resto-mod" in U.S. parlance.
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