Advice with wire wheels

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#1 Advice with wire wheels

Post by ChrisCtype » Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:33 pm

Ok I’m new to wire wheels
I would like advice on should I use rim tape or rim band as I’ve read about edges causing issues with bands. I’ve also read about tape lifting. So recommendations please which to use and what make recommended. I found tape recommendations on US forums but can’t find these tapes in U.K.
When fitting tubes should the valve have a guide inserted into the wheel valve hole, I read a recommendation for this but this was on a triumph website but my MWS wheels seem sized to the tubes valve size
Apologies for possible stupid questions but it’s something I really don’t want to make a mistake on
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#2 Re: Advice with wire wheels

Post by mgcjag » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:11 pm

As as starter have a look here....should give you plenty of info https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/classi ... tubes.html
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#3 Re: Advice with wire wheels

Post by ChrisCtype » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:37 pm

Steve
Thanks, I had read that but was more interested in others experience/ recommendations
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#4 Re: Advice with wire wheels

Post by mgcjag » Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:50 am

Well no other replies probably becaus its all in the Longstone site and many are on tubeless wheels......in the past iv had quite a few tubed spoke wheels......Michelin rim bands/tape and Michelin inner tubes havent used or heard of valve guide inserts.....Steve
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#5 Re: Advice with wire wheels

Post by tim wood » Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:41 am

Hi Chris,
Forgot to mention, on my previous car I had tubeless with bolt in valves.
Can’t recall about rim tape but I assume that as tubeless then it wasn’t needed.

On reading this it looks like a useless post !

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#6 Re: Advice with wire wheels

Post by ChrisCtype » Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:45 am

Tim, I think my question is possibly useless as I really wanted experience/advice from users rather than suppliers, I'll just go with my instinct
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#7 Re: Advice with wire wheels

Post by mgcjag » Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:27 pm

Experiance and advice would say go tubeless :bigrin: .....or as my advice for tubed wires above . ...Steve
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#8 Re: Advice with wire wheels

Post by abowie » Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:41 pm

All the MWS wheels I have used are tubeless and have the spoke holes sealed with a thick layer of silicone.

If the nipple heads are exposed they will potentially damage a tube. In this situation you need to use rubber strips that protect the tubes.

Personally I wouldn't buy a wheel unless it was tubeless.
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#9 Re: Advice with wire wheels

Post by dougal » Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:32 pm

Hi

This link should offer you rim tapes and valve collar inserts.

https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/classi ... -ca67.html

It also offers the 185VR15 Cinturato which i am hoping to get back in stock before Christmas as this is the best non powersteering E-type tyre.

I don't think an e-type generally needs the valve collars. It is a funny awkward little issue. there was a period where some inner tubes came with wider valve stems, then there are also lots of wheels where the valve hole is drilled out to fit the wide valve stem.

rim tapes we offer a rubber rim tape, which works well.

the tubeless wire wheel is a mine feild. there is absolutely no need to fit a tubeless wire wheel. Fitting anything lower than a 70% profile tyre on an e-type will spoil the drive of the car. Any tyre full profile (like a 185R15) or 70% profile (like a 205/70R15 or ER/70R15) can be fitted with an inner tube.

We have come accross too many failed tubeless wire wheel. E-type jaguars restored by famous restorers presented to famous customers daughters revealed as christmas presents with 2 flat tyres. Men shouting down the phone at us on the side of a motorway in a DB5 on his second flat tyre. we just dont even want to go there.

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#10 Re: Advice with wire wheels

Post by paydase » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:21 pm

I appreciate the advice from Dougal, including the video showing the leak.
However, following his advice, I would have expected a vido showing leaks at the level of wire nipples, not at the rim edge.
Rim edge leak only demonstates a bad sealing when fitting the tire, or maybe a bad fitting due to the absence of shoulders.
Dougal, do you have another video showing leaks at nipples?
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#11 Re: Advice with wire wheels

Post by mgcjag » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:43 pm

I cant remember any other member apart from Dougal reporting problems with tubeless wire wheels.....there are thousands used on classic cars...If it was a problem we would have heard about it.......Steve
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#12 Re: Advice with wire wheels

Post by Fred » Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:49 pm

I purchased 4 tubeless wire wheels, with stainless spokes, while my car was being restored. After 2 months sitting in storage 2 were flat and would not hold air for long. Tubes were installed, provided by the seller at no cost. When the car was finished and I was driving it, another would loose air at about 1 or 2psi per day. That one and the remaining one were then fitted with tubes. No air loss since.

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#13 Re: Advice with wire wheels

Post by mgcjag » Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:56 pm

Hi Fred.....were they new wheels(what manufacturer)...or second hand....i know in the US from the Jag Lovers forum that some owners have taken a standard wire wheel and added sealer to make it tubeless......are yours actuall tubelless wheels......Steve
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#14 Re: Advice with wire wheels

Post by Fred » Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:15 pm

Hi Steve. They are new (2017) Dayton tubeless wires wheels with stainless spokes, purchased from Universal Tire in Hershey PA. Dunlop SP Sport 185x15 tires installed by them. No issues with tubes subsequently installed.

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#15 Re: Advice with wire wheels

Post by mgcjag » Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:03 am

Hi Fred...thanks for the reply.....just had a search and found on Jag Lovers that a couple of others have had problems with Daytona leaks.....where air was seaping from where the spoke went into a nipple nut....on inspection they found that inside the spokes were just sealed with individual spots of sealant........Did you contact Daytona technical.......Steve
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#16 Re: Advice with wire wheels

Post by Fred » Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:39 pm

Sorry for the delay but we were out of town over the holidays. Dayton provided the first two tubes for free and at cost for the second two since it had been quite a while since i reported the second problem with the slow leak. Happy New Year.

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