Newbie - Disputed VIN Question

porkman · Post by **porkman** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:11 pm

Hi I'm new to this forum and looking for a bit of advice.

I have altered this post because I just wanted some general views on what people thought about provenance disputes online and how they may affect the value and saleability of cars. It's turned into a bit of a guess-the-car competition which I don't want to be involved in.

Post by **Heuer** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:16 pm

Bail! Why give yourself the hassle; it is not as if these cars are rare.

PeterCrespin · Post by **PeterCrespin** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:45 pm

porkman wrote:I have looked at the E Type world from afar over the years and decided that the only safe way in was to buy at the top end for top money.

How touching - a man who still thinks you get what you pay for, not what someone can get away with charging? What is your name by the way, please?

porkman wrote:Lo and behold, when I put the VIN into a certain online database, under Heritage Notes there is the comment: Disputed - Duplicate Cars.

What is the VIN please? It's no secret and may help someone else on this very list.

Pete

porkman · Post by **porkman** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:59 pm

Pete, I will not be mentioning any specifics on this thread. I may be new to this forum but I'm not new to forums.

PeterCrespin · Post by **PeterCrespin** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:10 pm

I'm only asking for the VIN not the seller. As you say, there are thousands on xkedata - over 16 thousand VINs in fact. I've probably put a couple of hundred or more on there myself. What's the problem, especially if you are anonymous?

I have no idea or interest in who is selling it but having had two E-types stolen maybe they are being cloned and someone in your position is could help me? Not that mine were early unless you count 66 as early, but still.

Sorry, it's public domain info and the seller obviously thinks so too as he has supplied it to you. Maybe you're actually a seller wanting to know what we think? Obviously not terribly likely but, no offence, without names or VINs we're all blowing smoke aren't we?

Pete

porkman · Post by **porkman** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:19 am

Pete, I have no idea of the rights or wrongs of this particular situation and me mentioning details is not going to help a buyer (because the info is already online) or the seller who may well have a perfectly legit car.

I just wanted to see if these sorts of issues were common with these cars and nothing to worry about, or, potentially a problem for a purchaser. I've decided to take Heuer's advice.

neil4444 · Post by **neil4444** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:57 am

850104 by chance ?

Tony · Post by **Tony** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:53 am

If you are paying top end prices and I am assuming anything over 70k plus then I would think you would want to be very sure about the car. I presume the seller is aware of the problem and would have clarified that his car is the genuine one as he would have difficulty selling it on.

Has he offered any evidence to back up his rights to the plate. As David has stated, if you paying top price you can always find another one.

Post by **Heuer** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:35 pm

http://www.premiumclassiccars.com/carli ... 50104-rhd/

If that is the one I would take into consideration the provenance issue, poor panel gaps, some incorrect detail and the fact the 'flat floors' are not rare (2,615 made, 17% of 3.8 production), are a pain to drive and Jaguar offered to retro-fit dished foot wells in period. The 1962 cars are better value as vendors cannot tout the latter as being something special which it is not - interesting yes, but not special.

christopher storey · Post by **christopher storey** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:35 pm

I cannot understand why the original poster will not reveal what he or she describes as the VIN ( actually no such thing is attached to an E type ) . All I can say is that paying top money has absolutely no connection with being safe in the purchase - the car may be stolen, cloned, duplicated or just plain rotten , and in many ways if you are going to put "top money" into an E , the best way to do it is to buy a really awful one and rebuild it with a reputable restorer . That way you do at least have irrefutable proof of what you are getting

288gto · Post by **288gto** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:18 pm

Talking of incorrect detail, in image 36 of 38 on their website pictures, shouldn't the chassis tag have a gap in the "texaco" wording or was this just on later cars?

Simon

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