The 5 Speed is here……..

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#121 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by gtjoey » Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:29 pm

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Bottom beaded up
Another half hour we should be done
Philip , If I didn’t read your Etype book 40 years ago I wouldn’t be so brave😀😀👍🏾

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#122 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by gtjoey » Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:30 pm

Hey where’s all the old brave men out there?
Everyone die of a heart attack?❤️

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#123 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by gtjoey » Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:45 pm

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Rough weld not bad

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#124 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by Rocknjag » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:57 pm

Great place for a mouse to make a home
close those two openings up, lol

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#125 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by gtjoey » Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:35 am

All done just for you
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#126 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by gtjoey » Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:50 am

Now we await the new clutch balanced to the flywheel and then everything should be ready to go back in😀
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#127 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by CliveR » Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:33 am

Inspiring. When I grow up I want to be just like Joey :bigrin:
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#128 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by Jeremy » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:08 am

I'm sorry but I just can't get excited by a 5 speed gearbox. My BMW has an 8 or possibly 10 speed box, paddle shifters, the lot, and I have no involvement whatever with it. I have come to love the somewhat archaic feel of that magnificent XK engine pulling the car strongly away in the rather tall first gear, and the broad flat torque curve that means you just don't have to change gear that often. 4th gear at the national speed limit is pretty leisurely too.

And cutting out pieces of the crossmember is not for me thanks.

Each to his own!
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#129 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by chrisfell » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:40 am

"I'm sorry but I just can't get excited by a 5 speed gearbox. My BMW has an 8 or possibly 10 speed box, paddle shifters, the lot, and I have no involvement whatever with it. "

There is a current thread over on J-L that mirrors this sentiment.

https://forums.jag-lovers.com/t/the-end ... ift/423958
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#130 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by Heuer » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:52 am

I have had a 5 speed (a T5) in my OTS for about 20 years and for driving through Europe it has been superb. Changes are lightning fast with no worries about touchy synchromesh. It is only one more gear so you don't have to use it if you want to be a purist :shrug:

My FHC still has its Moss box which does catch me out after driving the OTS and takes a while to get used to again. But in effect it is a 3 speed as 1st is all but useless other than to get rolling but also a joy to drive.

Only change I would make to the OTS is to bin the 2.88 diff for a 3.07.
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#131 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by Series1 Stu » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:07 am

gtjoey wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:30 pm
Hey where’s all the old brave men out there?
Everyone die of a heart attack?❤️
Don't worry Joey, most of us here are "stiff upper lipped" Brits. We don't get excited or sycophantic about these things. We just quietly get on with it.

Keep up the good work although your welding has me worried. Well, you did prompt for comments.

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#132 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by gtjoey » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:15 am

You guys are great!
I completely understand as after the work was complete, I took the 575M for a drive.
I had a 550 with 3 pedals new but that was years ago.
Now driving the F1 with ice cold A/C and stereo and real leather , it sure is a wonderful thing.
Hopefully I recieve the clutch and all back soon.
Hope these steps are helping in the event someone is thinking about the same....
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Heuer I went with the 307 as well with this car as many in the states started with a 3;54.
The 307 is the sweet spot , with the 5 th it just makes 70/80/90 civilized for long , long runs.
Plus as others have said, Even GTJOEY is getting older, 20 years ago the 4 speed was fine, now itjust feels so slow and wound up.
But at least we have these options. Its the only car from the 1960s that can really pull it off. IMHO

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#133 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by gtjoey » Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:22 am

P.S.
The welding was done by my life long friend
Born and raised in England.
He was between pints when he dropped by to do the work😀
I wanted the British touch, if I wanted perfection I’d find a German but that’s too boring😀
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#134 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by Gerry » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:53 pm

Hi Jeremy,if you had A Moss Box,you would be very exited about a fivespeed box with unbeatable synco.I often start off in 2nd at traffic lights to avoid that slow change from first to second causing the person in a full size pickup or suv to run into the back of me!
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#135 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by gtjoey » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:15 am

I appreciate all the options
If you have a pure survivor or restored 100 point show car
I understand.
But …I really enjoy my Etype coupe, I’ve had them
All , installing modern ignition, brakes , tires, lights and a whole host of other modern and SAFETY improvements translates into almost 10,000 miles this past year without a single hiccup.
It’s not fun coming up to a light as others have said , people up your trunk or the millisecond the light turns green everyone blows you away or cuts you off.
NO one cares now it’s kill or be killed on MOST roads .
With all my upgrades and the 4 speed I was able to keep up but on B roads where the speed limit is 30 mph people are running you off the road at 75/80
You need 5 th gear………Imho
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#136 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by christopher storey » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:23 am

gtjoey wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:15 am

With all my upgrades and the 4 speed I was able to keep up but on B roads where the speed limit is 30 mph people are running you off the road at 75/80
You need 5 th gear………Imho
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I suppose there is some logic behind this statement, but what, please, is it ?

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#137 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by gtjoey » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:38 am

Chris , I can keep up with a 307 rear at 3,000 rpm at 70.
But after driving a new car at 70 your at 1,600 rpm without a touch of vibration, drone or revs.
It’s just a more pleasant ride.
There is a sweat spot that only the Etype can produce.
A 250 Lusso looks the part, drive it more than a mile in any sort of traffic and you will turn it around to the garage.
Maserati 3500 even worse, forget American cars they don’t turn or stop!
I was one of the first to convert to EZ steering of the latest design ,it transforms the car if you dial it all in with Michelins, 6 inch wheels , it’s just a much much much better ride imho
Ps never touch the body though no matter what❤️

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#138 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by gtjoey » Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:19 am

Rocknjag wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:27 pm
Great progress Joey

You going to the show in Stony Brook this Saturday?
Yes!, I was going to bring the 575m but instead will bring the Mark 2 again!
Ellis car that won last year.........
Ive got chairs, Sinatra on sirrius and a picnic basket come on by!!!!
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#139 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by gtjoey » Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:49 am

The flywheel is being worked on
Cleaned up, mated to new clutch and pressure plate!
Note Guy Broad box has there own clutch spline set up
C j is letting me use the alignment tool then I will send it back.
Almost all good to go👍🏾
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#140 Re: The 5 Speed is here……..

Post by Dal » Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:14 pm

Joey, I read that a lightened flywheel can create some noise, vibration, juddering at idle and in first gear at low revs. I think I saw it on the “Driven man” website. What is your experiences. Love your modifications on a etype that is intended to be driven!
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