Un-silenced Rear Exhaust

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#1 Un-silenced Rear Exhaust

Post by Abarth » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:12 pm

Hi Gang,

I wonder if any of you might know where one could buy an unsilenced rear exhaust section? I am looking for something along the lines of this which retains the original shape bend at the end:



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My second question is if the removal of the rear silencers makes an audible difference? I have an XK120 running just a center silencer and it sounds so sweet. I am hoping to replicate that with my etype and hope I am going the right way around it.

With many thanks in advance for your help and best regards,

Arnoud

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Post by Heuer » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:35 pm

Arnaud

The resonators are actually 'straight through' mini silencers which do remove some of the sibilance left after the main silencer has done its job. Personally I don't think they make that much difference but it is down to personal taste and experience. Not a problem to buy a set of simple tail pipes and they can be fitted instead of the resonators as in your picture. Alternatively, if you like the look of the resonator 'bombs', you can have a set made with un-perforated pipes and thus no silencing effect - i.e. they are purely decorative. Something most people agree on is that a mild steel exhaust system sounds a lot better than stainless steel so you might want to consider using mild steel pipes from the silencers back. PD Gough in Nottingham will make up a set for you in mild steel or stainless. Alternatively you could ask them to make up a set of mild steel resonators although you would have to get them chromed yourself. Give them a call and discuss your requirements as they will make anything your heart desires. Mention the Forum please as I just had a set made up by them and it would be good to get their ongoing support.
http://www.pdgough.co.uk/
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Post by vipergts » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:59 pm

I have a 4.2 S1 with a mild steel system minus the rear silencer.......Sounds awesome
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Post by D COUPE » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:55 am

When I put My V12 Roadster back together I removed the rear box.

I did this because I thought it looked too agricultural!!

So I have two straight through pipes from the center boxes.

It still sounds quiet enough.....until You enter a tunnel :o :o
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Post by Abarth » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:48 pm

Dear David and D Coupe,

Thank you very much for your feedback and advice!!

David - I will certainly give your contacts at PD Gough a call and mention the forum. My concern when you first mentioned them is that I would need to make the trek up to Nottingham to have it made but it looks like they have the pattern there and can send it down to me.

With many thanks again and best regards,

Arnoud

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Post by Heuer » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:55 pm

Sorry, I should have mentioned that PD Gough have an original Jaguar exhaust system they use as a pattern. If you are having a complete system made insist they 'bench fit' the system before dispatch to make sure it all goes together without problem.
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Post by Abarth » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:56 pm

Forgot to thank you Viper! Awesome sound is what I am going for here and coming from you (proprietor of my favorite e-type) I will take the advice seriously!

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Post by Abarth » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:01 pm

Thank you again David! Your wealth of knowledge and experience is simply staggering. I was looking to have the rear section made for now - my concern was whether or not they would have reference shape to work with and know eactly where to weld the mounting brakets. With the pattern that you mentioned I think can rest assured.

I just tried to call them now but didn't get through (must be busy making fabulous exhausts). I will try them again later and will let you know how I get on.

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Post by Heuer » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:40 pm

They close from midday on Friday, try again Monday.
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Post by abowie » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:26 pm

Heuer wrote:They close from midday on Friday, try again Monday.
Is that because they're exhausted?
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Post by Moeregaard » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:42 pm

The special-tuning manual from the factory recommends replacing the under-floor silencers with straight-through pipes, while retaining the rear resonators. The increase in exhaust note was significant, especially above 3,000 RPM, and sounded really good inside tunnels. It also became really tiring on long trips. In an earlier time, I also ran the under-floor units while omitting the resonators. This gave the note a little more "bark," reminiscent of a Big Healey.
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Post by rfs1957 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:34 pm

I too tried replacing the main centre silencers with straight-through pipes, keeping the original BSA C15-type resonators that I actually really like.

I found that the noise was excessive and frankly anti-social, and detracted from my pleasure in driving the car - that from someone who thinks Contis on bevel-twin Ducatis are OK, and megaphones better.

Furthermore, with the greatly reduced weight there came a whole new spread of harmonics and vibrations from underneath the car that I suspect would require a completely different design and elasticity of rubber-blocks to cope with.

So after 50 km I took the carefully TIGged and bracketed assembly off, and chucked it in a corner ..........

I then re-examined the silencers I'd thought I could do without and discovered that there was a blanking or baffle-plate about 4" down from the start of the inlets, that diverted the gases sideways through a perforated tube ; oh well, what the hell, I thought, and got out the 45mm hole-saw, like you would.

Being quite deep it required a Heath-Robinson assembly of 1/4" extension and 9mm socket, see picture, but being well guided it cut quite nicely and the bore just needed finishing off with the die-grinder.


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Each silencer yielded a big penny washer, then, and suddenly you could see the outlet - the new hole turns them into motorcycle-type absorption silencers and short-circuits the baffling.


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I show the picture of the otherwise unremarkable and unattractive items in question just in case it helps members identify theirs as being potentially the same ; no idea what make they are, they were fitted by the previous restorer some time in the early 90's.


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The result is Exactly What I Wanted - enough engine vroom from within the cockpit on steady throttle low-rpm, without offending passers-by, a much sportier and healthier sound when accelerating, and an exhaust note that is 'present' at high speeds without detracting from the luxury GT feel. I fancy the car actually feels quicker but this may just be The Big Dick Factor.


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As a final observation, few details have made as much difference to my enjoyment of the car as being able to silence all the tiny chuffing sounds emanating from the exhaust connections ; a Clarke pipe expander and a can of GunGum, together with decent 360? pipe-clamps were the answer.
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Post by harryetype » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:46 am

I would/going to go mild steel 2" with chrome tail pipes on standard manifolds and paint the system silver. I'm going for the subtle upgraded look on this one.

That said I think David's suggestion of straight through but keeping the cherry bomb sounds like the way forward, I might give that go.
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