chrome end for gear lever leather gaitor

[Peter B.]

Hello,
being unable to locate a specific part, I now ask for help.
My car is missing the chrome ending at the gear lever leather gaitor. Any ideas whre this might be available?
Regards
Peter

[Heuer]

Peter

They are available but I can't remember where I saw them. Suggest you try M&C Wilkinson, Hutson's, SNG and Richard Smith. The Jaguar part number is "BD19728 Chrome Ferrule, at top of Gear Lever Gauntlet" which you will need to quote.

[daverawle]

Peter,

both parts; BD19728, BD19729 are/were available from SNGB and perhaps M Robey.

You need to modify it for an O-ring or the rattling against the gear stick will make you crazy on a long trip



Dave

[PeterCrespin]

The original inner part was nylon not brass. No rattling.



Of course it could be because the full 4.2 production models were fully developed, unlike the junior-sized 3.8 entry-level prototypes :-)

[daverawle]

Naahh, 3.8's were fashioned by artisans out of base metals - non of this namby pamby 4.2 plastic stuff :-)

[Peter B.]

Hello to all,
many, many thanks for that information, shows again how valuable this forum really is, appreciate this a lot!
All the best
Peter

[vikla]

I've got a slightly different question about the chrome ring and the wider area.
My car is 1966 4.2 FHC and has a leather gaiter but does not have a chrome ring on the gear lever. This is similar to the car in the Factory Fit - Series 1 pictures.
However my car does have a metal strip (might have been chrome but been painted over) around the base of the gaiter which is not on the Factory Fit car.
I am aware that many S1 4.2 have the rubber gaiter instead of the leather.
I have looked at numerous cars and pictures of cars and seen plenty of small differences in this whole area.

Is there anything definitive about all this:
- some cars didn't have chrome rings on the gear lever gaiter?
- slight differences in the chrome strip around the base on the gear lever 'upstand'?
- slight different shapes of the upstand?

Any views?

[Heuer]

This is what the JCNA judging guide has to say:


The cars with Ambla boots had a U shaped strip of chromed plastic pressed onto the base of the gearbox console blister. Hard part to find!

[vikla]

Thanks for the info.
I removed the bits from my car for closer inspection.
My chassis is 1E21343 so should have the rubber boot. In fact I have an ambla gaiter (not leather as I thought) with a trim piece which seems to be made of brass. It has 6 screw holes. It all looks very authentic except for the fact it had all been painted with a grey upholstery paint some time ago as has all the other trim. The paint can be scratched off and it reveals shiny brass. The peeling paint is what you can see in the pics.



Underneath of gaiter/trim


Has anyone seen one like this before?

I became a total anorak by doing an analysis on XKE Data looking at pictures of cars either side of my chassis no.
Of 16 FHC cars from 1E21040 up to 1E21442 only 4 had rubber boots. The other 12 had leather or ambla gaiters with 4 having a chrome trim round the bottom and 8 having no metal trim at all. 8 out of the 12 had the chrome collar on the gear lever.
Of 12 OTS cars from 1E1292 to 1E1650 8 had rubber boots and 4 had ambla/leather gaiters, with the chrome trim and chrome collar.

I also looked at the Porter and Clausager 'originality' books which have essentially the same data as JCNA except that where Porter gives dates of changes they are miles out - according to his data my car wouldn't have been made till December 1966, rather than March 1966.

So my conclusion is that my car seems a bit different regarding the trim piece and that the data in the 'originality' books is all a bit suspect since there seem to have been about 3 variants rather than 2. Given that so many cars sampled don't fit the data and they surely can't have been such a high proportion changed subsequently, particularly FHCs. Maybe even FHCs tended not to have the rubber boot.

gear lever area


I also notice my car does not have the lovely tapered chrome nut(?) under the gear knob and in my sample plenty of others didn't either. Any views on how standard that was?

[1954Etype]

Steve looking at the photos, I would guess that someonehas modified the area where the gaitor goes as those holes look suspect. It is also possibld that the threaded chrome locking ferrel has been replaced with a nut. My car has the rubber gaitor but the brass retaining ring is used to retain a thinner rubber boot to the removeable gearbox tunnel cover. I bet if you looked closely, you will find that your retainer will line up nicely with the holes on the gesrbox cover.

[PeterCrespin]

I'm sure that's correct Angus. The surrounds that have round holes require the rubber gaiter. All the leather/Ambla gaiter versions have the larger rounded triangular hole - slightly different for 3.8 to 4.2 but none of them round.

The OP's car looks like it had a round gaiter but the console has been modified and retro-fitted with a home-made gaiter. That's why it seemingly has neither a chrome ferrule above the gaiter nor chrome trim around the bottom, since the rubber gaiter cars never had those parts around the stick or the base of the gaiter respectively.

Pete

[vikla]

Peter and Angus,
I'm afraid I'm a bit lost in what you are both saying both in relation to my car and in general.

On the general side my review of car pictures in the run of chassis numbers that should have rubber gaiters shows that the majority don't have them. A good example is the 'original' blue OTS in this forum's S1 4.2 Factory Fit - far RH set of pics, 6th, 19th and 20th down. I have seen about 8 just like this - ambla gaiter but no chrome trim. Are you saying they all modified them the same? Many others have the chrome trim like a 3.8.
I think that you are saying that a rubber gaiter car should have a big round hole in the bit I will call the gear lever turret (what the gaiter sits on)

Regarding my car I am a bit perplexed because it lay essentially untouched between 1977 and 2009. The whole console area and seats have never been re-trimmed hence my interest in all this. They have been removed to replace the carpets though.
The hole in the turret is oval in shape and does not have signs of being hacked around (e.g. the vinyl goes over the hole edge). I agree the small holes 'look suspect' and they are the ones used to secure the brass trim to the turret. The trimming of the gaiter onto the brass trim is very professional.
I know it's difficult to describe these things in words but I didn't understand the use of a brass trim with a rubber gaiter.

Regarding the chrome ferrule, I assume that they can be easily fitted to any leather or ambla gaiter.

Regarding what I described as the 'tapered chrome nut(?) under the gear knob' maybe there was a misunderstanding. This is on the gear lever and is separate from the gaiter. I assume it is a very fancy locknut for fixing the knob in the correct position. I've seen it on lots of cars but can't see it as a part number anywhere.

Sorry to be so long winded...!

[1954Etype]

Steve,

have a look at this photo:



I think it is the same as yours? This is for my car, a 1965 OTS. This was fitted with the rubber gaitor.

The brass ring you have is to retain a softer, smaller rubber gaitor onto the top of the gearbox cover.

[PeterCrespin]

I think that you are saying that a rubber gaiter car should have a big round hole in the bit I will call the gear lever turret (what the gaiter sits on)

Yes. There are only two options for a 4.2 - what you have (rubber gaiter, no chrome top or bottom) or the much larger home basically extended to the edges of that flat area for the leather/Ambla gaiter, which always comes with a chrome top ferrule to hold the gaiter to the stick and usually a chromed plastic bead around the edge of the console hole through which the gaiter appears.

Regarding my car I am a bit perplexed because it lay essentially untouched between 1977 and 2009. The whole console area and seats have never been re-trimmed hence my interest in all this. They have been removed to replace the carpets though.

The hole in the turret is oval in shape and does not have signs of being hacked around (e.g. the vinyl goes over the hole edge). I agree the small holes 'look suspect' and they are the ones used to secure the brass trim to the turret.

The oval/rounded hole is for the rubber gaiter. This not not open to doubt and was of course trimmed by Jaguar so no wonder it looks professional :-) It was very common to fit a gaiter which is presumably why Jaguar dropped the rubber version after a couple of years and went back to the earlier 4.2 design.

The tapered locking nut under the gearknob does have a part number and is readily available. I don't have my manuals here in on this trip but I got my last one from Barratts I think.

Pete

[Nick]

SC Parts list the 'lovely tapered chrome nut': Gear lever locking cone, SJ 2043/1 (C23006).

Nick

[JimmyS]

Peter,
If you are still on the lookout for the gaiter top trim, the following has been posted on eBay http://tinyurl.com/cgrucvm
Regards,
Jim

[daykrolik]

My car is OTS 1E15388. It has the ambla gaiter. I recently purchased the chromed plastic trim which surrounds the gaiter opening. I forget if it was from Barratt or XKJs Unlimited, but they are currently available.