Headlight trims bolts

Dave K · Post by **Dave K** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:43 pm

Heuer wrote:
APersoons wrote:Just out of curiosity.

I read somewhere that the 3.8 had slotted heads and the 4.2 philips heads, is this correct or is there more to it?
The very very early cars had slotted heads - one of the most recognisable faults with the restoration of 9600 Hp

My car has slotted screws.

Dave

44DHR · Post by **44DHR** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:56 am

"one of the most recognisable FAULTS with the restoration of 9600 HP"

I don't really see that the screw design on the headlight surrounds can be identified as a serious "fault". One of my pub stories about my car is when parked up a car show, (an unusual occurance for me), I have been picked up on my headlight screws being slotted screws and not crosshead for a '67 E Type.

The reason is because I changed them over to stainless screws and stainless captive nuts, (more faults !!!), for reasons given previously - for my personal reasons on my personal car and they just happen to be slotted screws. So my reply to the comment was "and what screws do you have in your E type then ?" to which the reply was "I don't have an E type, but I've read the books". I hate such anoracks !! Enough said !!!!!

Cheers,

Dave
S1 4.2 FHC

APersoons · Post by **APersoons** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:01 am

Let's just call slotted stainless screws an upgrade and all will be happy

Post by **Heuer** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:02 pm

9600 HP was restored by CMC and they even "put the flies back in the radiator" according to Andrew Turvey. He admitted they overlooked the slotted bolts but not a mistake they made with subsequent early cars - 1VHP, 1600 RW. Nobody really gives a toss about the originality of the later cars as they are not historically important but these cars are the standard bearers and have to be right. On the other hand once you spend a couple of hours in the company of Angus Moss you realise two things:

1. Jaguar did things for a reason so why not get all the fixings right. It is no more difficult than doing it wrong. All those hours of testing by Norman Dewis revealed weaknesses which the factory addressed to produce a well screwed together car. Angus has studied 'fixings'.

2. Angus knows a hell of a lot about E-Types.

Interestingly, on the subject of 9600 HP, Andrew Turvey reckons it is the best handling example of an E-Type he has ever driven and he is not sure why!

44DHR · Post by **44DHR** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:13 pm

Ok Heuer, I accept that 9600 HP should be right in all respects.

I 'll just still stick with my upgrades of my bolts - technically screws - if we are being pedantic.

Cheers,

Dave
S1 4.2 FHC

Dave K · Post by **Dave K** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:21 pm

44DHR wrote:"one of the most recognisable FAULTS with the restoration of 9600 HP"

I don't really see that the screw design on the headlight surrounds can be identified as a serious "fault". One of my pub stories about my car is when parked up a car show, (an unusual occurance for me), I have been picked up on my headlight screws being slotted screws and not crosshead for a '67 E Type.

The reason is because I changed them over to stainless screws and stainless captive nuts, (more faults !!!), for reasons given previously - for my personal reasons on my personal car and they just happen to be slotted screws. So my reply to the comment was "and what screws do you have in your E type then ?" to which the reply was "I don't have an E type, but I've read the books". I hate such anoracks !! Enough said !!!!!

Cheers,

Dave
S1 4.2 FHC

He was right though

Dave

44DHR · Post by **44DHR** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:01 am

Ok I'll get my coat !!!

I was just trying to say I personally can't get too excited over whether they are slotted or crosshead on my personal car. I actually use and drive my E type - down to Monaco and Italy last year - the Black Forest and Switzerland in May this year, rather than sit around in a field talking details of fixings and the correct curvature of grommets. I have a need to keep my headlight bowls clean and whether they should be crosshead or slotted is of no interest to me as long as I can regularly undo them and refix them easily without fear of stripping threads is my personal priority.

I prefectly understand we are all individuals and to some people that detail is their priority.

Have fun,

Dave
S1 4.2 FHC

Post by **Heuer** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:49 pm

Agree with you totally Dave regarding both being overly concerned about the minutiae and the fact that the pozidrive screws are a safer bet in not scratching the paint when you take them off. I realise on my car I now need to carry not only an AF set of tools but also AF Allen keys (EDIS) and metric spanners/Allen keys (Mangoletsi throttle kit).

I think the point is that as these cars are appreciating in value to six figure sums owners and buyers are becoming increasingly aware of the need for originality for both bragging rights and ???.

Post by **1954Etype** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:28 pm

ok, so before I am seen as some kind of pendant, let me state I'm not. I don't show my car or sit around in fields - good luck to those that do.

I spent a lot of time looking at the fixings because I didn't want things dropping off or rattling loose. Jaguar did all the work in deciding what went where and I have copied them.

I have just started the restoration of a S2, unmolested Californian car and was surprised at what the factory did. For example, where the frames are bolted to the body lower mounts, no washers were used.

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