Broken Clutch Pedal

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#1 Broken Clutch Pedal

Post by PAUL MORRIS » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:55 pm

Dear All
I had a Super Car meet yesterday but Clutch failed for a Hill climb of today. Yesterday I lost nearly all pressure on the pedal & had difficulty with the reverse when arriving home. I had a bad feeling in the eveing
& took of this am & situation got worse, soon impossible nearly to change gears or apply enough pressure. Finaly Cable snapped & had to limp home in 2nd kill ignition at the lights & use starter in 2nd to get going. Lucky my battery was ok.

As I cant go to a Garage with no clutch is the Cable easy to Replace ?

Thks for advice
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#2 Re: Broken Clutch Pedal

Post by 1954Etype » Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:53 pm

Paul, not sure what car you are talking about but no E Types have clutch cables as far as I am aware. Sounds like loss of hydraulic pressure....

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Post by PAUL MORRIS » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:35 am

Yes your right I am a novice for mechanics, I was reading last night & assumed it was fluid etc. I shall check the level tonight & see what to do or
how to move the car.
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Post by Heuer » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:00 am

Paul

Most likely to be the clutch slave cylinder followed by the master cylinder. If either have failed there will be traces of fluid (and possibly damaged paintwork!) around the area. There has been a lot of reported trouble with the new slave cylinders and also the replacement seals of Chinese origin. Try and get a new old stock one off eBay or get a quality branded rebuild kit. Bear in mind there are two types of slave cylinder - the short one with a return spring and the longer 'hydrostatic' version with no spring and self adjusting. Either will work but you need to make sure you have the correct actuating rod to match, bracket and spring as necessary.

I had two 'new' slave's fail on me without even taking the car out of the garage - both leaked. I bought a boxed Girling NOS one off eBay and that has been perfect.
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Post by PAUL MORRIS » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:29 am

Dear David,

Thks for the most precious advice,
keep you posted

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Post by 44DHR » Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:38 pm

A little tale about my recent experience in France over the May Bank Holiday and a clutch slave cylinder. Sorry Paul, I had to do this with the French and the Slave cylinder connection.

I took my 1967 Series 1 FHC over to France for the Historic Sprint around Laon in France at the end of May this year. I went with Continental Car Tours and they organised the ferry, hotels and sprint entry very well. It is about 150 miles from Calais and 50 miles into the trip I lost all my clutch fluid and had no clutch. We were driving in a group down on B roads to enjoy the French countryside and it was a very hot day when the group got lost in a small town and we were getting hot in the car repeatedly stopping and starting in the town.

Driving with no clutch is very concerning when you come up to a junction and have to pull the car out of gear - if you can !! To start, I then had to try to find 2nd gear, (again can be difficult) and push the starter button and off we went - whether you want to or not !!! Drove 100 miles like this to the hotel in Laon on Friday night. I took off the Slave cylinder - only two nuts on the Gearbox bellhousing and removed it in the hotel car park.

On Saturday my mates to drove me to the local Carrefour and they had a "Kwikfit type tyre fitting service. The local fitter helped me to blow out the metal piston which had the damaged seal behind. The slave cylinder was the 95mm long unit, rather than the earlier 80mm sort and although only a few years old, the bore was corroded and I think the car had got so hot that the seal had caught on the rough bore as I pushed it down so far in the heat and it bent back to damage the seal.

After we found the internal parts - as the fitter has shot the parts out all around the workshop, when I looked at the tiny seal, the edge was OK, but it had a tiny pinprick of a hole in towards the centre of the seal. On the logic that once installed in the bore the seal wasn't going anywhere, I bought a 2 Euro bicycle puncture repair kit in Carrefour. Back at the hotel, with the seal cleaned up with nail varnish remover, the bicycle patch was applied to the inside of the seal and the whole lot refitted into the cylinder.

First the spring, then the plastic retainer which the seal fits over, then the metal piston that the pushrod bears against. All fitted on Sunday morning and all worked fine !! Did the sprint around the old walled town of Laon on the Sunday and had a great time.

On the way back on the Bank holiday Monday stopped off en route to Calais at Arras for lunch. Again another hot day and slowly the clutch started going again. Limped to Calais and onto the ferry. It is so difficult queued in Bank Holiday traffic at a ferry port with no clutch to safely start the car. Off the ferry at Dover and drove another 150 miles all the way from Dover to Portsmouth and over on the ferry to the Isle of Wight and home. I now know every single traffic light on that route as you have to plan your way through them when you have no clutch. Still at least I wasn't stuck in France awaiting on parts - as calling the ever helpful SNG Barratts back in the UK on the Saturday, their French branch which would open on the Monday, the UK could tell me that they only had the 80mm unit, but not the 95mm unit which would not have left the UK due to the Bank Holiday until Tuesday. I probably would not have got the part until Wednesday at the earliest and then would have had to drive back to try to get a ferry on the Thursday, so extra hotels, ferry fares etc, plus time off work.

We are driving down to Monaco for the Historic next year - I will make sure I take some spare seals as such a small part can cause so much of a problem !! We love our cars !!!!

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Post by Heuer » Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:01 pm

Ah - the ingenuity of the British abroad :D Suggest, for the low cost and lack of hassle, you just pack a spare slave cylinder. Great story!
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Post by PAUL MORRIS » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:25 am

What a Story, maybe the E Type is not for me. Anyway for time being I am satisfied & love the driving around my country lanes per 1hr. I have no time at home yet since the weekend so have not done anything on car yet or made any decison. I will have to learn or get some training for the basics some day.
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Post by PAUL MORRIS » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:53 am

I tried filling the bottle with liquid & getting pressure back no luch just a
puddle under the Gearbox. Have to get the car picked up dont fancy trying to drive in city like that & making more damage. Picked up next Monday keep you posted & covered by insurence.
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Post by 1954Etype » Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:06 am

Heuer wrote:Ah - the ingenuity of the British abroad :D Suggest, for the low cost and lack of hassle, you just pack a spare slave cylinder. Great story!
At the risk of being called a 'smug git' I have carried a slave repair kit and fluid for a couple of years after a mate of mine was caught out iin Reims one year. He drove back to Holland clutchless.

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Post by PAUL MORRIS » Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:36 am

Whats a "Smug Git"
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Post by Heuer » Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:14 am

1954Etype wrote:At the risk of being called a 'smug git' I have carried a slave repair kit and fluid for a couple of years after a mate of mine was caught out iin Reims one year. He drove back to Holland clutchless.
Well you are not the only one, I carry a spare slave cylinder. I thin k I need to add a brake light switch as well having gone through one a year for the last three year's.

Paul

"Smug git" is a slang term for someone who is self satisfied because he knows the answer's. I have no doubt Pete will be along shortly to elaborate further on Angus's admission :lol:
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Post by PAUL MORRIS » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:49 am

Dear All,
My Car will be fixed for tomorrow slave cylinder changed old one was completley exploded. Normally a small bill I hope.
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Post by 44DHR » Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:53 am

Paul,

Not sure about the "exploded" part - maybe lost in translation. The clutch slave cylinder is an extremely simple device, just a cast tube with an internal spring pushing a plastic cap which has the rubber seal covering it, which in turn pushes a metal loose fit piston against the pushrod attached to the clutch lever.

It is held on by two 9/16" A/F nuts to the Bellhousing and I changed mine out for a new one in around 10 minutes last weekend. The only trick is once the feed pipe is attached to let it hang down from the car and swing the bleed nipple, (which is on the opposite side of the feed pipe and therefore normally on the lower side), up in the air, open the nipple to allow all the air out of the cylinder, so none is trapped. Hope that makes sense - but a very simple job.

Hook up and adjust the push rod and away you go. One thing I did notice on my new slave cylinder - the same Lookheed original equipment sourced from my usual good reliable supplier, was that the spring inside the cylinder seemed much stronger than the old failed one. This meant it was harder to push back the piston when hooking up the pushrod, but this should assist me when applying the clutch. Mine is the later 95 mm long slave unit and not the 80 mm unit. One thing you may find is that your clutch Master cylinder next starts to fail as it is now pushing a new efficient slave and if the seals in that one are getting old like the slave ones, look out for any failure seen by a drop in the reservoir level or fluid leaking out into the car by the clutch operating pedal.

Hope you get your car all sorted and it was not too expensive. I am venturing off my Island on the south coast of the UK this afternoon and going up near London to Brands Hatch race track for a weekend of Historic racing. including the first round of the E type 50 anniversary race series. My friend Frank Lyons will be racing some of his cars and he has invited some New Zealand racers over for this race weeeknd. I will be parking my E type behind the main stand as a group of us have all chipped in to get a corporate box, complete with refreshments all day on the Sunday. If anyone's at Brands on Sunday - as the local Jaguar Enthusiasts Club are also in attendance, come and say hello and hopefully join us for a drink. Should be a good weekend !!

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Post by PAUL MORRIS » Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:45 pm

What a Super message,
I had it changed for ?150 parts & labor & I will look out as the garage did mention that they could have changed also. They dont push for any expense. As soon as I a bit of Cash up front & wife digested the car I will leave it with our Hosts as planned. Have a Super weekend as I cancelled Le Mans as thought would have no car. Cant wait to see your pics. Teach me how Brands Hatch is diff to Silverstone & Diningtone.
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Post by PAUL MORRIS » Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:09 pm

Dear All

Fantastic 2 Hour Drive & No Police, all seems ok.

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Post by 44DHR » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:58 pm

Paul,

I am glad the repair was not too expensive. The difference with Brands Hatch to the other events you mentioned was that this was not a show, but a weekend of Historic racing with all sorts of cars including old Formula 1 cars, Touring cars, Formula 5000 etc and it was the first round of the E type 50 year anniversary race series.

There are 6 E type races in the series this year, some in Europe and the final one at Goodwood Revival in September, where we will be trackside with the E type.

It was a great sunny day and my friend Frank Lyons came 3rd in his Formula 5000 having a great race to secure that place in the light blue Gurney Eagle, but his son won the race in another of his Formula 5000 cars - aged 20 !!! That's young Michael Lyons in the cool white shades who lead from the start and lapped most of the cars - an amazing talent. Look out for him in the future.

A few photos, I think I counted 27 E types on the Track. There are even more entered into the series.

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Post by PAUL MORRIS » Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:20 am

Hmm looks a fantastic event, is the track difficult compared to thers.
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Post by PeterCrespin » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:40 am

PAUL MORRIS wrote:Hmm looks a fantastic event, is the track difficult compared to thers.
There are two tracks at Brands. The short 'Indy' circuit is basically a kidney shape with only two left bends which kind of merge into one, and no real long straight. The start-finish straight is in effect a very long right hander which has other right handers at the bignning and end of it. You've never totally straight since the line is to sweep across the straight unless you take a tigher line ot pass someone and beat them to the first corner. The toughest corner (IMHO) is the first one, Paddock Hill Bend, which drops down alarmingly leaving the bike or car light on its wheels just as you want maximum grip to stop you drifitng over into the run-off gravel area (which is really a 'fall-off' area if you only have two wheels.. :cry: ). The rest is fairly easy to learn lthough on cold tyres it's easy to overcook the first left hander.

The old Grand Prix circuit adds a few more bends and a couple of straights and is more challenging, but many events don't use it.

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Post by PAUL MORRIS » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:47 am

Dear Pete,

It sounds very good, maybe a bit difficult for me. If you have a link
I would be please to watch. How does Donington compare ? Frankly speaking I dont have the finance to risk too much tract activity. I need to take it easy this year as already getting costly.

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