rear screen rubbers FHC

andrewh · Post by **andrewh** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:23 pm

bit disappointed to discover that my rear screen chromes are not fitting at all well into the new rear screen rubber from SNG. the chromes are not distorted as far as I can see and I wonder whether I have made a mistake in not buying the rear screen rubber from COH Baines. simple question therefore is whether anyone has experience of this issue, and found they solved it by using a Baines screen rubber? I thought this was going to be easy as I had my original chromes. silly me.

PeterCrespin · Post by **PeterCrespin** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:24 pm

Have you fitted the locking strip?

It's never easy even with original stuff unless you do it for a living. This is one area where I wouldn't expect Baines stuff to be different.

andrewh · Post by **andrewh** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:28 pm

thanks for the reply Peter. I have not actually tried this myself, but the trimmer who put in the rear screen has told me they will not go in , or at least stay in. I was rather of your view, which is why I did not change the rubber for a Baines one. I suppose I will have to await the cars return to me and then have a go myself, but the trimmer is pretty experiences, Mick Turley, so I would tend to think if he doesn't think they are going to go then they probably will not.

Cgarside · Post by **Cgarside** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:58 pm

Andrew,
I had a real fight to get my screen into the rear hatch rubber seal which I had bought a couple of years in advance df actual need. Despite my best efforts I could not get the screen in place? I passed the job over to a local windscreen fitter who also gave up! He recommended a new seal from Baines. Once I got this, he fitted the rear screen in a matter of minutes (lesson learnt here was that screen rubbers harden up with age, so always better buying fresh from Baines when needed)
In terms of the chrome trims, you don't say whether they are originals or repro items ? In my experience the repro items don't follow the curve of the rubber and are very difficult to fit. I re-chromed an original set and these fitted fine.
Chris

andrewh · Post by **andrewh** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:10 pm

Hi Chris. Thanks for the input. Yes these are my original trims re chromed. Most advise that the heat generated when polishing for chroming can distort the trim, but Mine look fine. The issue as I see it without having the car in front of me currently (it's still with the trimmer ) is whether the SNG rubbers are noticeably different to the Baines rubbers. I don't really want to change rubbers without some opinion on whether it's likely to solve the problem as it tool an hour to fit the original glass into the tailgate.

Post by **mgcjag** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:17 pm

Hi Andrew.....done this approx 4 years ago with sng seal and original chrome on a series 3 was a real strugle but a hairdryer on the rubber to warm it helped......Steve

Cgarside · Post by **Cgarside** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:29 pm

Andew, given the screen is now fitted, I would first try laying the chrome's on top of the rubbers to see how well they match the route of the rubber around the rear hatch. When the chrome's are correct they should sit nicely on top of the rubber such that the retaining flaps on the rubber seal can be pulled back to fit the chrome. Getting the chrome's to the right profile may require a bit of tweaking but given yours are originals, I would expect them to be a close fit.
If the above fails, I would fit a new rubber from Baines.
Chris

frogeater · Post by **frogeater** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:19 pm

Hello,
edit, I found answer to my interrogation...

http://www.coh-baines.co.uk/products/LF ... strip.html

Emmanuel

andrewh · Post by **andrewh** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:22 pm

I think I need to get the car back here and have a go myself. I cant see it being the biggest problem I have faced to be honest, but was hoping it would be straight forward. will report back.thanks

PeterCrespin · Post by **PeterCrespin** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:47 am

andrewh wrote:I think I need to get the car back here and have a go myself. I cant see it being the biggest problem I have faced to be honest, but was hoping it would be straight forward. will report back.thanks

A bit of soapy water for the lips, then once you know it all fits you can always dry it off and repeat with some dabs of mastic to hold it in place one section at a time.

Emmanuel - 2.5 metres

Moeregaard · Post by **Moeregaard** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:09 am

As Peter says, a small amount of soapy water works wonders. I used a small amount of liquid soap and a pair of tongue depressors to work the chromes under the lips. It took a lot of patience and more than a little profanity, but the trick is to work slowly and get the chrome under both lips as you move along.

Post by **1954Etype** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:32 am

Don't use soap as a lubricant. Use spray on glass cleaner as it will lubricate and evaporate.

David Oslo · Post by **David Oslo** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:54 pm

I've been in and around car workshops, tyre centres, glass shops and decal/logo companies for donkeys years. Back in the day soapy water was used, and still is. Just remember it's a bucket of water with a small dash of washing-up liquid. It's not a frothy bucket.

Then the alcohol based glass cleaners came around (still mostly water) and they do work, but have a shorter opening time. They evaporate quicker. They leave residue just as much as the soapy water. Squirt some on a piece of glass, wipe off. Then wipe with clean lint. It will show blue (assuming it's blue tinted to start with, but you get the jist, it doesn't evaporate to zero).

My advice, use either. Up to your personal preference.

mystery type · Post by **mystery type** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:13 pm

Yes this is a difficult job, i remember looking on this forum for tips when i was having the same problem.
The replacement trim i had was not a good fit, and i ended up replacing the old lower trim.
Its not a nice task, and I think even an octopus would struggle.

Post by **mgcjag** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:30 am

Hi Andrew these clamps are really usefull to help hold the trim http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gunson-Tools- ... 2570d1baf3

andrewh · Post by **andrewh** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:30 pm

Thanks for the advice, I do have some of these clamps so will try it when it gets home. I have today had another chap have a go for me and he tells me that the trim has a lip on the outer edge but nothing on the inner edge so its this inner edge that will not fit correctly. In effect the rubber fails to fully cover the chrome. either the chrome has been polished away or the rubber flap on the inside is too short to cover the trim. Any thoughts? I can get a new lower trim but uppers seem out of stock all around, or else I could try to source a second hand set of chromes that do fit and rechrome them. Gee whizz this is frustrating. The only good news is that I am not planning on going anwhere just yet so I do have time on my side!

andrewh · Post by **andrewh** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:03 am

I have now had a chance to look at my rear screen rubber supplied by SNG a couple of years back and also my original rear screen rubber. It seems that the rubber is incorrect! on my original the width of the rubber from the outer edge of the chrome strip to the paint is less by some margin than the replacement. In other words the outer rubber edge is too wide. The effect of this is to make the inner rubber width too narrow. If someone has an original that is fitted and could measure the width or even a close up of one of the blue 3.8 FHC factory fit you took at Harrys David, that would be a great start also. I will try to photograph what I am talking about

andrewh · Post by **andrewh** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:07 am

sorry its not very clear but it is this left border of the rubber I reckon to be too wide and the inner border where it meets the glass too narrow. Any help with this would be good as I don't want to start taking the glass out unnecessarily

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