Maybe this time...

damawe63 · Post by **damawe63** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:42 pm

Hi all,
I've wanted a S2 FHC for a couple of years now and came close to buying one a year or so ago but trying to buy mid-range is a dangerous place to be. I can only apologise to those who thought they may have had a sale before. Could I therefore ask what people think might be a good price for a UK RHD S2 FHC that's ready for the road. I don't have a workshop, just a normal garage and need to buy something that's probably been restored (documented) that's not full of hidden rust and problems for the uninitiated. Dealer prices seem to be beyond reach so I have to deal in the world or private sales and therefore would appreciate some down to earth advice on buying my dream car. I've read most on-line advice on buying and have in the past made good use of the experts opinions from this and other Jaguar forums including getting experts to look over prospective cars on my behalf (for which I remain very grateful).

So the question is, what is the current private market price for a really nice S2 FHC car? People say prices being asked are very over inflated but I still see cars on the classified websites that were there 2 years ago and are obviously still unsold.
The magazine Practical Classics says ?35k for a condition 1 car and this is backed up by the JEC price guide but looking on-line I'm not so sure..... Could I please solicit opinion on where the market is at the moment please.... I'm hoping to be looking soon for a really good car that's not going to turn into a money pit of horrors.

kind regards, dave

vipergts · Post by **vipergts** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:12 pm

I have a S2 FHC for sale which is original, never welded, never trimmed and TOTALLY rust free. ?30k...Low miles too. It has been viewed in detail by a couple of members on here as a car for reference guide to originality.

It is however LHD but I can convert. Lived in southern CA all its life.

In hindsight I should have gone this route when I bought my last car which I spent 25k on metalwork alone.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C383530

christopher storey · Post by **christopher storey** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:06 am

Gawd ! It looks like Ascot fawn or, possibly, Warwick grey . And a US spec car . Could be waiting a while for a buyer because those colours are not exactly sought after

Dave : the figure I would have in mind would indeed be 25K with a very good car ( like the one Viper mentions but in a UK spec ) stretching to 30K . There are, as you say, a lot of ridiculous dealer prices being bandied about , even for 2+ 2s , but you only need to attend a few auctions to see that the market is much weaker than those asking prices suggest

Post by **Heuer** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:50 am

Angus and I have seen that car and it is as described. Very original and no rust. Ideal for someone who wanted a rolling restoration and it can be converted relatively easily to RHD. The beauty of it is every nut, bolt and screw will come off easily and everything is in place where it should be. Colour is not everyone's favourite but a repaint to the colour of your choice would be a winter project or give it to Angus - he is doing the same with an identical car at the moment: http://www.mossjaguar.com/in-the-workshop.html

Having seen it I would say it is priced sensibly and probably a bargain. You will never find a RHD car in that condition and if you do find a reasonable one you will still be spending ???'s getting it right. If I were you I would be down to see viperGTS on Monday and do a deal!

osgii · Post by **osgii** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:12 am

I love this color, especially on the S2. It's less common than red, green or grey, but it really gives a vintage look that hides all the character of this wild cat.
Much nicer in real than on pictures.

damawe63 · Post by **damawe63** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:58 pm

Some interesting points, thanks, am pleased to hear that prices have possibly softened a little and that there should be something we can hopefully afford that's not a rolling restoration. Would prefer a UK car at the moment and think we can stretch to 40ish so maybe something I really like will turn up this time. I looked at a couple of unrestored S2s last time and while the paint was nice and shiny, most of the plastic / rubber fittings, seals etc were completely perished or going that way, not unreasonable so considering how old the parts are, this is why I think I'm looking for a car that's already been restored. I appreciate that any car will need work to keep it in good order but need to avoid major problems. I came across this one on Friday of all places just up the road (Warsah, Hants), it certainly looks the kind of car I'm after and certainly a good colour / trim combination, does anyone know of its history?

http://www.peternashcars.co.uk/used-car ... -coupe-133

Hoping to be looking for real in about a week, will put a post on the forums, see if I can flush out what I'm after.
Thanks for your thoughts on this guys...
regards, dave

Post by **Heuer** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:10 pm

Once you find the car you think you want give Angus Moss a call and ask him to do a survey for you. Not only will it give you a good bargaining tool but it will also be a hit list of what needs doing, if anything. Only last week he saved a Forum member from buying a duff car!

damawe63 · Post by **damawe63** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:47 pm

That's good advice David and if Angus doesn't mind, I will indeed call him for a chat. I have his mob number from a while back when we spoke about other prospective cars. Who could ask for any more from a forum.... top marks one and all :D

Did anyone have any thoughts on the car I pasted a link to?
Hoping someone may recognise it and although a tad above our price range, looks exactly what I'm after..... The asking price remains just that, what someone's prepared to actually pay is likely to be a little different.
Kind regards,
dave

Post by **1954Etype** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:07 pm

Looks like a nice car and good money. Looks like an ex lhd car?

damawe63 · Post by **damawe63** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:21 pm

That's interesting to know, may I ask what were the clues to it being a LHD. I understand that the chassis plate number will indicate RHD / LHD, along with wipers parking to the left, extra side lights etc and oh yeah the steering wheel always bit of a clue generally

I appreciate that the majority of E Types were exported, very keen to pick up subtle/blatant clues as to spotting a cars true identity.
regards, dave

Post by **1954Etype** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:58 pm

damawe63 wrote:That's interesting to know, may I ask what were the clues to it being a LHD. I understand that the chassis plate number will indicate RHD / LHD, along with wipers parking to the left, extra side lights etc and oh yeah the steering wheel always bit of a clue generally I appreciate that the majority of E Types were exported, very keen to pick up subtle/blatant clues as to spotting a cars true identity.
regards, dave

Apologies Dave, I was thrown by the cam covers having slots in for the cross over pipe. I *think* the SU upgrade might have been done later. You need to go off the chassis number.

christopher storey · Post by **christopher storey** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:43 pm

Since BYA 1J was first registered on 3.8.1970 I think you can take it that this is on original UK car . It is apparently a nice looker but photos can deceive, and it is undoubtedly priced on the high side for an S2

PeterCrespin · Post by **PeterCrespin** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:16 pm

The VIN is the clincher for LHD but wiper position and gauge arrangement are clues. Didn't see the VIN in the ad but Angus is probably right based on wipers. Cam covers look like they were from an emissions engine too.

Pete

Red Kite · Post by **Red Kite** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:45 pm

http://www.xkedata.com/cars/detail/?car=1R20811

damawe63 · Post by **damawe63** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:41 pm

Thanks for all the information, just so I'm clear, this car is probably a UK registered car but with different cam covers off a US car that had the emissions cross over pipework?
I may be popping along to have a closer look at the weekend and will check out the VIN plate then. From what I've read, it's not easy on an S2 to check the engine number, come to think of it could someone please remind me which numbers are likely to be stamped where? I assume that they are stamped someone fairly obvious?
I'm now in the position to put a post in the wanted section so let's see what that brings. All information is gratefully received....
Kind regards, dave

Post by **1954Etype** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:16 pm

Looks like a UK car. Engine number stamped on bell housing. Gearbox number on top of box. Both hard to get to to read. No stamp on head. Data plate on LHD of car near bonnet lock. Good luck and post some detailled photos on here!

PeterCrespin · Post by **PeterCrespin** » Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:48 am

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damawe63 wrote:Thanks for all the information, just so I'm clear, this car is probably a UK registered car...

Do you have the VIN? If you don't, you have no particular reason to think it is 'probably' a UK car. If you DO have the VIN there is no 'probably' about it - it is either LHD car or it isn't. Based on the wipers I'd say it was a US car until you get the VIN.

Post by **1954Etype** » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:41 am

Pete, are you looking at the Blue car?. If so, the wipers are correct for RHD.

PeterCrespin · Post by **PeterCrespin** » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:10 am

Sorry, no, wrong car. VIN number issue still applies as to conversion history, if any. Looks like a nice FHC.

Pete

damawe63 · Post by **damawe63** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:55 pm

Just back from the viewing..... it's not the one for me. An aspect that seemed odd to me was that it only had a mini VIN plate albeit with the 4 main items of information, I was expecting the usual comprehensive larger plate, guess not the original. My quest continues!

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