The 'E' Type Forum

Searching for information on who manufactured the interior (Evaporator) unit for Jaguar. Most other components carry markings that indicate they were made in the USA. Internal components, Thermostat and Blower Switch, were made in the USA. If you have any information please contact me.

Happy Trails,
Dick

Hi Dick,
Whilst the compressor was made by Frigidaire in the US, based on this label still half attached to a unit from a 1971 S3, the evaporator was made by Delaney Galley Limited in the UK.



The company has an interesting and varied history in connection with aviation as well as vehicles, outlined here http://www.gallay-usa.com/?page=history with a detailed article here http://www.gallay-usa.com/data/Delaney_ ... 170510.pdf

Hope this helps,
Bob

Bob,
That's the first real hard evidence furnished tracing the original manufacturer! It's great - a starting point to begin further investigation. From the small area depicted in your photo I gather the tag was affixed to the evaporator? Would you post a larger area photograph or two of your evaporator? Your car is LHD re-imported?
Again, thanks for your ever-so-important lead. Now to dig up more details.

Happy Trails,
Dick
OV1pilot@aol.com

Hi Dick,
Here is another image showing the location of the label.



This particular evaporator, which I have as a spare, is from a LHD car which left the production line on 29th Nov 1971 and was then shipped to Canada. Jaguar did not offer AC on RHD cars but occasionally one turns up which appears to have been converted to RHD configuration.
Bob

Thank you Bob for posting the additional picture. I've found pictures of a RHD S3 with what appears to be factory installed A/C. I'm wondering if they made, as a test, a RHD evaporator unit and it got out of the factory by mistake? It's a mirror image of the LHD, not something someone cobbled up in the garage! More digging required. Thanks again,

Happy Trails,

Dick

Yes I have seen that one before, for sale a couple of years ago in Australia I recall and suggesting a working system judging by the other images showing the hose layout entering the cabin on the left rather than the right side. But the fan is still in the LHD position in the RH footwell and the fascia design is LHD.

The conversion shown below in a UK car appears to be a true mirror image of LHD with the fan in the LH footwell (so that the steering column doesn't foul the fan/evap casing) and the fascia being a reverse of the LHD standard. Perhaps more what you might expect if it was a factory escapee.



See this topic re the UK car viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12852

Let us know if you find any more conversions.

Bob

Bob, Your picture is, indeed, a mirror image of the LHD unit. Wonder how many were made and fitted? Do you know any details (VIN #, etc.) of the car fitted?
Thanks for the update,

Dick

Dick,
I would be interested to know it but I don't have the car number. You could try contacting forum member Hilton (Holeshot) who had the car in 2018 although he hasn't posted here for a couple of years now.

If that fails there are some clues to the likely build date suggesting it is not a particularly early car, therefore unlikely, I would have thought, to have been used for development, at least by Jaguar.

From Hilton's posts:
1. The registration number suffix is "K" indicating it was first road registered between 1 Aug 1971 and 31 July 1972.
2. The rubber tee piece between the inlet manifolds connecting the balance pipe between cylinder banks show an engine produced before late November 1971.
3. It has the later Keinzle clock rather than the earlier Smiths unit, but it has the earlier temperature gauge with red sector showing a build during the transition period from May to Oct 1971.
This suggests a Car Number between 1S50205 and 1S50685.
Obviously above all assumes nothing had been changed since the original build.
Bob

Hello guys,

As you can tell, I haven't really been on this forum for ages and have missed this thread which I feel I should contribute to.
Please excuse my delay - family got in the way!!

I've sent Dick a reply to his questions by PM - I just hope he's got it as it doesn't show that my message was sent.
Dick - if you can't find it then please post here and let me know - cheers.

Anyway, I've just had a look at the heritage certificate which confirms the build date was 28/9/71
1st registration date -Mid feb 1972
Chassis - 1S505**
Engine no. - 7535**-SA
This confirms pretty much what Bob deduced from his studies of my car - impressive stuff Bob!!

Unfortunately I don't have a build log from the factory, but I have all garage receipts back to '76 and the age of the system appears compatible with the patina of all the original parts as this car hasn't really been messed about with.
Nothing about the AC components seem adapted or converted. Fixtures/fittings/hardware etc are correct. Pipe routing and bracketry suggest nothing other than factory. No give-away prototype style hand-cutting, bending or cutting. All seems machine stamped-out and production finished. I'd prefer if it wasn't referred to as a 'conversion' for the moment if you don't mind please until there's some solid evidence that it is after-market - I hope you understand my asking :)

I told Dick I'd be happy to take photos if you show me examples of the views you need.

I hope to strip the system down much to it's component parts later this year to renovate it and get it working properly so I'm happy to give info on what I find if it helps untangle the 'mystery'.

I'm going to seek advice on the other thread on how to proceed with getting it working again so maybe catch up with you all there or continue here about the provenance of early 70's E-type AC.

Thanks for your interest and wish you all well.

Cheers, Hilton.

Hello Hilton,

What a wonderful post. Alas, I never received your PM or photos. I would consider the photos most valuable in any case. If you can resend them to OV!pilot@aol.com I would be most grateful.

Jaguar had an experimental department trying out ideas (5 speed tranny, maybe RHD A/C, etc.) so your car may have been one the worked on.

I just purchased an Electric Aerial System which, on unboxing, realized it was an experimental unit. Quite a find after all these years. Along with what appears to be factory RHD A/C does your car have a factorry istalled electric aerial? Pictures of the installation (RH Boot area behind Fuel Pump) would put to rest some of my conclusions. I've searched over 10 years for the antenna system, as pictured in the Parts Catalogue, but never found one. That system appears to have been replaced by a later RadioMobille system used on XJ sedans. The XJ mount fits nicely the S3 E-type studs.

Again, Thanks for the reply and I look forward to hearing from you.

Happy Trails,

DIck Wells
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I would also like to see the pictures of the RHD A/C system if possible and there may be others who would be interested if Hilton would be prepared to share them on the forum.

Dick - Just curious, what makes you conclude that the aerial system you have sourced is for an etype and furthermore experimental? Presumably it didn't say C32208 on the box or did you mean it is actually the kit for an XJ?
The angle of the finisher on the aerial doesn't look right for an E although it may be hidden in the picture.

Hi Bob,

After 10 + years searching for an original S3 E-type Electric Aerial System (as depicted in the parts catalogue) I had mostly given up! Then this "Kit" came available, looked interesting so I purchased it. When it arrived It was in a rather plain box with a two-string closure. On opening I found a lot of new components along with several Jaguar factory drawings (XJ sedan). pme RadioMobile drawing marked "EXPERIMENTAL" and a hand drawn up/down switch circuit.
From the S3 ROM, item 86.50.21 (Motorized Aerial) is a vague description of the system removal/installation. What I did find interesting it mentioned the boot RH panel as the location for the mount!
In the Aerial system box was a C43511 motor mount. I wondered if that mount would align with the boot studs for mounting the aerial motor and relay. It did!




Inside the RH rear boot well showing the six (6) studs. Original I deducted 4 studs were for the mount and the two forward studs were for mounting the relay..
Next I made a mockup of the RH panel to check fit and motor angle for water drainage.


The relay mounted inside the motor mount.
The Jaguar drawings showed XJ sedan installation with the relay inside the mount. The RadioMobile drawing had a hand drawn penciled water drain hole location. That was incorporated into the XJ drawings. The RadioMobile drawing was labeled "EXPERIMENTAL".


All parts for that mod were in the box too.
So, I concluded sometime in production Jaguar changed over to the sedan version to streamline production costs. I have to other proof, but rather concluded, this kit was a replacement for the C35390 Mount Kit and the C32208 Aerial Motor Kit.

Additionally, there was a hand drawn schematic for a manual UP/DOWN switch in lieu of the relay..



I believe all aerials were factory installed. The Electric Antenna option was factory/dealer option.
If someone has more definite information on this system I would be most interested.
Hope this answers some of your questions.






Happy Trails, DIck

Another thought I'd like to throw against the wall and see if it sticks. When this "Experimental Kit" was fabricated it appears to be around 1974 based on drawing dates. Decisions already made to curtain S3 E-type production would have also affected other departments such as documentation/manuals, etc. Therefore I concluded the old S3 Electric Aerial System had been replaced with the Sedan version to lower cost, just no "Official" documentation was produced that I have found.

If one looks closely at HoleShots evaporator (RHD) photos it appears to be an experimental unit as it was never produced/released for sales. In the photo, RH side you can see a manual Up/Down switch for the aerial. That same switch and mount were in the "Experimental" box I purchased.

Can anyone, especially UK located and maybe have worked for Jaguar, comment on any of this? At this point in time (some 50+ years later), we may only guess what was under test and development. Like trying to naill Jell-O to the wall...... LOL

My 2 cents.....

Happy Trails,

Dick

Fascinating, thanks for the detailed response. It will be interesting to hear from Hilton about the function of the switch on his car.
The E type and S1 XJ6 PMs show the round motor type with the square motor, as per your kit, first appearing in the S2 XJ6 PM. Since this model was launched in late 1973, 1974 experimental drawings are puzzling.



But it appears from this Parts Bulletin, dated Sept 1976, that the round type may have been around a lot longer than the S2 XJ6 PM suggests. (Sorry for the poor image quality).




Note to Steve/David - would you prefer this discussion of S3 radio aerials to be under a separate heading as it is not really about AirCon?

Hi Bob.....a bit of thread drift wont hurt....there are only a few of you discussing with no arguments.....so just keep going.....Steve

Hi Bob,

I, too, found the same documentation for XJ sedans a you provided. Behind the scenes changes were being made at Jaguar but slow or total failure to document as I put forward earlier.
The later Electric Aerial System was made in Japan for Smith's RadioMobile (London). These come up occasionally for sale, I have a total of three new units, but when I received the latest It was different. It had extra contents plus the drawings led me to believe it came from Jaguar's Experimental shop.
Bottom line: If you own a S3 E-type and desire an electric aerial system this one works! Two of my systems have a plastic finisher instead of metal/chrome. The plastic ones are also teardrop shaped with the same antenna-to-body seal, fitting the wing perfectly.
Again, any owner who has the Parts Catalogue (round motor) antenna - I'd love to hear from you.

Hand drawn dimensions for water drain hole location. One of my earlier units came with a barbed fitting that screwed into the motor body. For the other two I purchased 5mm RC Model fuel barbs and tapped the motor hole to those threads. I also fabricated an in-line fitting to the RH rear boot drain hose, incorporating the same 5mm barbed fuel line fitting. That way motor water would drain outside the boot.
Additional note: Attempting to install the motor mount to the S3 studs from the spare tire side was very difficult. Removing the RH rear light fixture provided direct access to the mounting studs. This mad installing the antenna system much easier.

Hi Bob,

That Parts Technical Information Sheet really throws a curve into whats what!!! The sheet says the Round style motor assembly is still available ('76) but being replaced . In '76 E-type production had already ceased. My contention is back in the 1974 time frame Jaguar was developing the square motor as a replacement; the square motor system fits S3 E-types! If Hilton's car has an Electric Aerial system photo's of the motor AND the outside antenna mount would be most informative.
By the way, Jaguar did build at least one S3 with a 5-speed transmission! That car made its way back into production sales, was sold and Jaguar has been trying to pressure the owner to sell back the car!

Maybe we'll hear from Hilton soon to explore some of these deep, dark secrets!!! Ha Ha

Happy Trails,

Dick