Series 3 E-type V12 Air Conditioning Evaporator

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#1 Series 3 E-type V12 Air Conditioning Evaporator

Post by FlyBoy » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:10 pm

Searching for information on who manufactured the interior (Evaporator) unit for Jaguar. Most other components carry markings that indicate they were made in the USA. Internal components, Thermostat and Blower Switch, were made in the USA. If you have any information please contact me.

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#2 Re: Series 3 E-type V12 Air Conditioning Evaporator

Post by Bob. » Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:00 pm

Hi Dick,
Whilst the compressor was made by Frigidaire in the US, based on this label still half attached to a unit from a 1971 S3, the evaporator was made by Delaney Galley Limited in the UK.

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The company has an interesting and varied history in connection with aviation as well as vehicles, outlined here http://www.gallay-usa.com/?page=history with a detailed article here http://www.gallay-usa.com/data/Delaney_ ... 170510.pdf

Hope this helps,
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#3 Re: Series 3 E-type V12 Air Conditioning Evaporator

Post by FlyBoy » Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:30 pm

Bob,
That's the first real hard evidence furnished tracing the original manufacturer! It's great - a starting point to begin further investigation. From the small area depicted in your photo I gather the tag was affixed to the evaporator? Would you post a larger area photograph or two of your evaporator? Your car is LHD re-imported?
Again, thanks for your ever-so-important lead. Now to dig up more details.

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#4 Re: Series 3 E-type V12 Air Conditioning Evaporator

Post by Heuer » Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:50 am

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#5 Re: Series 3 E-type V12 Air Conditioning Evaporator

Post by Bob. » Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:53 am

Hi Dick,
Here is another image showing the location of the label.

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This particular evaporator, which I have as a spare, is from a LHD car which left the production line on 29th Nov 1971 and was then shipped to Canada. Jaguar did not offer AC on RHD cars but occasionally one turns up which appears to have been converted to RHD configuration.
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#6 Re: Series 3 E-type V12 Air Conditioning Evaporator

Post by FlyBoy » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:53 pm

Thank you Bob for posting the additional picture. I've found pictures of a RHD S3 with what appears to be factory installed A/C. I'm wondering if they made, as a test, a RHD evaporator unit and it got out of the factory by mistake? It's a mirror image of the LHD, not something someone cobbled up in the garage! More digging required. Thanks again,

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#7 Re: Series 3 E-type V12 Air Conditioning Evaporator

Post by Bob. » Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:47 pm

Yes I have seen that one before, for sale a couple of years ago in Australia I recall and suggesting a working system judging by the other images showing the hose layout entering the cabin on the left rather than the right side. But the fan is still in the LHD position in the RH footwell and the fascia design is LHD.

The conversion shown below in a UK car appears to be a true mirror image of LHD with the fan in the LH footwell (so that the steering column doesn't foul the fan/evap casing) and the fascia being a reverse of the LHD standard. Perhaps more what you might expect if it was a factory escapee.

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See this topic re the UK car viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12852

Let us know if you find any more conversions.

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#8 Re: Series 3 E-type V12 Air Conditioning Evaporator

Post by FlyBoy » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:02 pm

Bob, Your picture is, indeed, a mirror image of the LHD unit. Wonder how many were made and fitted? Do you know any details (VIN #, etc.) of the car fitted?
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#9 Re: Series 3 E-type V12 Air Conditioning Evaporator

Post by Bob. » Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:43 pm

Dick,
I would be interested to know it but I don't have the car number. You could try contacting forum member Hilton (Holeshot) who had the car in 2018 although he hasn't posted here for a couple of years now.

If that fails there are some clues to the likely build date suggesting it is not a particularly early car, therefore unlikely, I would have thought, to have been used for development, at least by Jaguar.

From Hilton's posts:
1. The registration number suffix is "K" indicating it was first road registered between 1 Aug 1971 and 31 July 1972.
2. The rubber tee piece between the inlet manifolds connecting the balance pipe between cylinder banks show an engine produced before late November 1971.
3. It has the later Keinzle clock rather than the earlier Smiths unit, but it has the earlier temperature gauge with red sector showing a build during the transition period from May to Oct 1971.
This suggests a Car Number between 1S50205 and 1S50685.
Obviously above all assumes nothing had been changed since the original build.
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#10 Re: Series 3 E-type V12 Air Conditioning Evaporator

Post by Holeshot » Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:04 am

Hello guys,

As you can tell, I haven't really been on this forum for ages and have missed this thread which I feel I should contribute to.
Please excuse my delay - family got in the way!!

I've sent Dick a reply to his questions by PM - I just hope he's got it as it doesn't show that my message was sent.
Dick - if you can't find it then please post here and let me know - cheers.

Anyway, I've just had a look at the heritage certificate which confirms the build date was 28/9/71
1st registration date -Mid feb 1972
Chassis - 1S505**
Engine no. - 7535**-SA
This confirms pretty much what Bob deduced from his studies of my car - impressive stuff Bob!!

Unfortunately I don't have a build log from the factory, but I have all garage receipts back to '76 and the age of the system appears compatible with the patina of all the original parts as this car hasn't really been messed about with.
Nothing about the AC components seem adapted or converted. Fixtures/fittings/hardware etc are correct. Pipe routing and bracketry suggest nothing other than factory. No give-away prototype style hand-cutting, bending or cutting. All seems machine stamped-out and production finished. I'd prefer if it wasn't referred to as a 'conversion' for the moment if you don't mind please until there's some solid evidence that it is after-market - I hope you understand my asking :)

I told Dick I'd be happy to take photos if you show me examples of the views you need.

I hope to strip the system down much to it's component parts later this year to renovate it and get it working properly so I'm happy to give info on what I find if it helps untangle the 'mystery'.

I'm going to seek advice on the other thread on how to proceed with getting it working again so maybe catch up with you all there or continue here about the provenance of early 70's E-type AC.

Thanks for your interest and wish you all well.

Cheers, Hilton.
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