The 5 Speed is here……..

[gtjoey]

Great conversation as we stopped for lunch
Keep it going
The only thing could you two scientist explain how much is that bend your applying in English
What I’m saying is it’s a lateral cross bar not front to back
What force would be needed to make it cup up like that a head on train wreck or a pothole in NYC

[Heuer]

Good point Joey. In theory there is a loss of rigidity but in the real world, on the road, would it be noticeable or have any effect on dynamics?

[gtjoey]

I’m taking a break from rubbing Ellie’s feet.
Remember we have this thing in America called …The Jewish Lawyer!
I will post a copy of the Guy Broad directions
I’m more than confident the car won’t bend in half
But if so….. I can buy Jim Taylor’s Real D type if it does
I have faith my friends
And
You guys haven’t seen what REALLY has to be cut to do the right job
Coming soon
Keep it going guys
I’m
Married 35 years I need a distraction till we leave tomorrow morning

[Series1 Stu]

Wow, speaking of thread drift........

I once worked with a guy who when you asked him what time it was, felt the need to tell you how watches were made. I'm betting that Joeys welds will be just fine and the car won't crack in half or be 20% more likely to fail in most of our lifetimes.

Chris and I were simply correcting your ill-informed assertions and you call it thread drift? Do me a favour! I try not to comment on things that I know very little about, because I know how internet forums can adversely influence people's decisions. I don't know much about watches but I could tell you how 17th Century clocks work. Now, that would be thread drift.

Joey, nobody is saying your car is going to fall in half and that was said in the explanations. Just demonstrating that a box section modified in that manner is inherently weaker than the standard item. You could always ask your insurance company what they think.

Regards

[gtjoey]

I have a shop date around Oct 10th for the last surprises.
If all goes to plan maybe I take the E to Maine and back in the fall!
Cool weather lots of hills
That would be my total test bed.
I can make the stock console fit but might want a different layout.
Something more Ferrari Lusso 250 ish
Minimalist and lots more room
We see

[BobKTX]

If all goes to plan maybe I take the E to Maine and back in the fall!

Joey be careful out there buddy, your car is now 20% more likely to fail on the way to Maine.

[gtjoey]

See I’m not worried , I have an insurance policy

My 1960 Ac Aceca was made out of 1 inch tubes
The Etype is a tank!
Hopefully it’s on the road end of the week or next week tops
The special suspension upgrade is on the way

[dlgis]

My best attempt at modelling the structural effect on Joey’s car:

[mgcjag]

Interesting how the cutout in the Guy Broad instructions is different to the one Joey made.....the infill piece is at an angle rather than 90deg......giveing triangualr "mouse hole" infills.......Steve

[gtjoey]

At my age I’ll take that size banana!
I think there’s toooo much bench racing going on .
If you guys took all the abortion rusted out Etypes with rotted rockers and floor pans I would say that was ALOT worse.
I bet I’m fine.
Might get clutch done tonite
If so go around the block with the panel open to see what rubs
Wish me luck boys
Ggjoey1314
The cut out is exactly how they said

[nichmoss]

Bob and Joey: As Stu says, we were just trying to show you that the modifications made would reduce the strength of the section. We are not "sceptics", we're engineers, and tried to add to your understanding but engineering is hard to explain in a few lines on the internet so the explanations are fairly long. It doesn't really matter as you don't understand why the crossmember is there and how it carries loads - that's fair enough as you don't have the background knowledge. It's sad that you have both resorted to sarcasm rather than taking on board any new knowledge but...

as I say every time, it doesn't matter to me what you do to your car.

For anyone reading this thread, I advise caution when cutting any part of the structure on your car - if you don't know why it's there and what the purpose of the part is, then think deeply before trying to modify it.

Best, Chris

[gtjoey]

Chris ,
It’s a great thread.
That’s why all the other threads DIE at 200 as we will break 20,000 !
The discussion is valid but again
Someone please explain HOW I can BEND the center cross member to the pressure or curve we used in your test?
What would that mean I real life ?
Does that make sense?
My car is a rust free bone dry California car.
My rocker inside and out have nothing along with my frame rails.
If my perimeter box is solid where does THAT kind of flex come from or get to?
Make sense?
I”m not arguing just trying to understand.
Ps your just getting excited like the rest of us for the real drive
Gtjoey

[Heuer]

Come on guys! Joey is documenting a legitimate 5 speed conversion whilst being self-effacing, patiently responding to questions and being, at times, funny. I am learning a lot about engineering stress testing along with the pitfalls of this particular conversion.

I experienced the Broadsport many years ago when Harry, then owner of E-Type UK, pioneered fitting it to an E-Type against the advice of Guy Broad. Harry spent a lot of time and money developing the gear lever position so it would work in the E-Type and it looks like Broadspeed adopted the final solution. It worked well, before that you kept rapping your knuckles on the dash. The change was fast and smooth but whether the end cost is worth it for one extra cog is debatable. Harry gave up fitting the box in the end because of the work involved.

My OTS is fitted with the BW T5 and it is lovely to drive but times have moved on and with most traffic in the UK cruising at 50mph or lower I rarely get to use 5th. Nice on the motorway or autoroute but I avoid those roads out of boredom.

So please stick to comments that are constructive because the Moderators will start deleting those at odds with the relaxed tone of this forum. If you have no interest in the topic avoid it but there is no need to post announcements about your feelings or dissatisfaction on the matter.

Keep going Joey!

[Gerry]

Keep on going Joey,following your 5 speed install with interest,I would do that metal mod in a heart beat on my car.I think the basic E type tub was very strong,a fellow JCNA member who raced a coupe was and still is amazed how well it stood up to off track excursions etc.
Regards Gerry 62 Ots Ontario Canada.

[gtjoey]

Where am I going?
Just got home from a wonderful overnite, bonding experience with my wife after 35 years of marriage
As most know I never get mad about anything or anyone as my phone call with Jesus is coming closer and closer!
But for today…..
I hope I will lift the car and explain the huge cross plate then the welded top plate ThEN the second layer plate which is the center of the latest drama
I respect everyone’s comments but never get personal unless it’s New York sarcastic
Pics coming just giving grandma a kiss .
Gtjoey

[gtjoey]

Okay
Let’s go slow
On our Etype coupes we have a
1.Crossmember, It goes from driver to passenger side all the ways across
2.In the center there is a THICK lower steel plate which it is welded to and where your nuts are for the transmission mount
3.above the crossmember in the center is a secondary overlap frame which goes
Side to Side Inside the tunnel area only
4 That is welded Over the first cross member in the middle and to the side of the body inside the tunnel
5 The new improved by a mile Guy Broad lower mounting bracket bolts into the same welded nuts BUT the load is spread to 2 solid rubber mounts on the left and right side of the transmission and plate
6 not that CHEAP terrible center spring bouncing around like a trampoline like the original
So I really do understand Integrity of the metal
But all I’m
Asking is I have a solid cross brace
I have a double lap center brace
I have complete solid outer braces
What situation could make my center section fold with all of the above
I’m never to cautious when I do my projects
As we can see but this car if not rusted is overkill on the structure and that’s why I like it!
These pics make sense?








Those are original floors and seems! I just add undercoating for the snow

[djw61]

I too have been following this thread regularly. Regarding post 343, not sure what the reference to "The Jewish Lawyer!" was meant to convey. Perhaps you can explain. Apologies for the thread drift but I thought it worth calling out. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

[gtjoey]

David Many people have lost Humor after covid
If the car bends in half which it won’t
I’m from New York
Never use an Italian lawyer to sue, they are only good for guilt
My law firm of Rabinowitz , Rabinowitz Rabinowitz and Son
Will leave No Meat on the bone…..
It’s an old All in the Family episode.
If your under 50 move on you won’t understand.
I can’t wait to adjust the clutch and bleed the system
We will be off to the races

[gtjoey]

You guys got me all worked up now!!!!
If I win the lawsuit!
I can buy Jim Taylor’s D Type!
I was 20 pounds heavier then!
But more grey, Ehhh
Gtjoey

[djw61]

Joey, in response to your email, I am over 50, happen to be, like you, from New York and have never been accused of having a poor sense of humor. I also actually do know some very fine Italian lawyers. Your reference to "All in the Family" may not ring a bell with some of the members of this forum which are located outside of the USA. It is a reference to a groundbreaking TV situation comedy show from the 1970s (which I did regularly watch in my youth) in which the lead character, Archie Bunker (played by Carroll O'Connor), plays a bigot from Queens. Not someone most people would want to emulate. You may wish to think about what you write for a second before hitting the "submit" button. You may also want to think occasionally about admitting when you are wrong (or if that is beyond your capability, simply not responding) rather than responding by attempting to insult the other person by accusing them of having no sense of humor, being too young or living in a place where your "humor" would not be understood. What you view as "humor" may be viewed by others as an anti-Semitic trope. Looking forward to your post clutch-bleeding insights.

Apologies for the drift and I do not plan on responding to Joey's inevitable response.