IRS removal - my way.

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#1 IRS removal - my way.

Post by vee12eman » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:34 pm

Hi all.

So the first thing everyone says when talking about removing/installing the IRS is that you need two burly assistants and a great deal of care because it can bite?. Well part of that is true, the IRS is heavy and awkward and needs careful handling, but tools and technique can help with that, replace the two burly blokes and make life a lot easier.

So I thought I would show the tools I use, fairly simply made by myself, which allow me to do the job, by myself with little or no problem. As with any large job, an assistant is helpful but not vital.

The two main tools are a jack pad and a special lever to manipulate the Metalastik mounts. Also useful are wooden blocks to raise the vehicle safely and squarely. Other tools include a bar which is used to support the rear of the car once the IRS is out, a wooden spreader block, used to jack the front of the car up under the picture frame and another wooden block to jack the rear of the car without removing the exhaust. Obviously, some of these tools are useful for other more common tasks, some may even have made these already. The wooden blocks are fairly easy to make, the others require welding, so if you can?t do that, you might need to approach someone with a welder and possibly grinding tools as well. Alternatively, you may be able to adapt my designs and make them without welding. The effort may not be worthwhile if you are not likely to use them again, although they can save you a lot of money and make things safer ? a fairly priceless result. Some of the tools can be used for other purposes too.

The first tools are the wooden blocks. You can use axle stands to support the car, but axle stand manufacturers recommend that you do not use two pairs of stands due to stability issues. You are removing a substantial percentage of the cars? weight, so the change in weight distribution is something to consider. I use a couple of pine sleepers, cut into lengths and with built in chocks, which are then placed under the wheels. These allow greater access under the car and more stability. You can build these fairly high, but I suggest that three sleeper thicknesses is enough, more than this can become a little less stable. This picture shows the car on blocks, only two in this instance and I have made the built in chock much bigger since this picture:

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To raise the car, a good size trolley jack is recommended, with a large pad. I made a wooden block which fits into the picture frame, supporting the weight on both the edges and inside the frame, reducing the chances of distorting the frame. This is a well-known modification and some make it from hardwood, leaving it in place permanently, secured with tie-wraps. I chose to make it removable, so again used softwood, as that was all I had at the time. I won?t give measurements as it seems likely these will differ and I did not measure mine, rather made it to fit the car by a little trial and error. Here is the wooden block for the front (Picture Frame):

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A block of different design does the same at the rear. To allow the jack to act directly on the IRS lower plate, the block fits between the exhaust pipes. To prevent slipping, holes are drilled to align with the protruding bolts on the IRS lower plate. These holes are 380 mm apart, at least, that is what fits my car, it would be advisable to check your own car in case there are differences. The block itself is made from a piece of 90 x 90mm fence post, again a piece I had lying around, again, check this is deep enough to clear your cars? exhaust. The jack used needs to be fairly low profile to go under the exhaust. This picture shows both front and rear wooden blocks:

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Once up on the blocks, make sure the car is stable ? it is worth noting that as the suspension compresses, the wheels actually spread a little further apart, so tap the blocks out with a heavy rubber mallet as you slowly lower onto the blocks. Next remove the exhaust, then swap the pad on the jack for the plate which mates exactly with the lower plate of the IRS. This plate is made from a thick steel plate, with a central hole which mates with your jack. Each corner has a bolt welded through, which sit very close to the IRS central lower plate. The dimension between the bolts (across the lower plate) on my car is 294mm. When the plate is offered up to the central plate, the bolts pass very closely either side of the plate. Mine were so tight when I first offered it up I had to file a little out of the threads on their inner surfaces, but this did not interfere with the next stage, which is to fit large penny washers and nuts which securely clamp the suspension to the plate. With a good jack, it is now possible to balance the suspension confidently on the jack. This pad is also strong enough to support the car, allowing you jack it up, remove the blocks under the wheels and fit a steel bar between the studs which mount the rear exhaust hangers, then allowing you to place a couple of axle stands under the bar. This bar is 515 mm long for my car, again, measure and manufacture to suit your own. The car is now firmly supported and will not move when you remove the suspension unit. The pictures should make it clearer, though unfortunately I don?t have one of it all in place:

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The jacking pad:

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The pad fitted to the jack:

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The jack and pad offered up to the IRS:

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The bolts securing the IRS to the pad (can be seen below the discs in this view from above):

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Next disconnect the prop shaft, handbrake, brake hydraulic line and remove the bolts securing the radius arms to the cups on the floor and lower them out of the way. Actually, this stage might best be performed at the beginning of the process, due to the fact that they often corrode onto the mounts. If this happens, it can be very difficult to separate them, options are to use a crowbar, cut the rubber, or if you have a long-wheelbase model, you can insert a small thick plate of steel inside the cup, when wind a bolt down onto the plate from above, literally jacking the cup off the mounting. This can?t be done on SWB cars because there is no access inside the cups from above, on LWB cars; remove the rear seat base and you will be able to see the cup from above and insert your jacking bolt. This section drawing hopefully makes this last option clearer:

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Once all disconnections are complete, make sure the car is firm on the stands and the jack is firmly up against the IRS, then disconnect the four mountings from the car. My choice is to leave all four mountings on the car and remove the bolts to the IRS cradle. It?s not everyones? choice, but it works for me.

Carefully lower the unit out of the car. Unless you have the car very high, you will probably have to manoeuvre the unit on the jack a little to get clearance, but it can be done. The unit is taller than you expect and unless the car is high enough, it won?t come straight back on the jack, so a little careful steering is required with the jack. The advantage is that the IRS is firmly bolted to the jack and will not fall off provided you fitted your penny washers and bolts nice and tightly.

Lowered to the floor:

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With the unit on the floor, you can either transfer to a trolley, or no major dismantling is required, leave it on the jack, making it nice and mobile. To avoid leaving pressure in the jack cylinder, lower the unit to rest on the ground when not moving it around, the jack will stop it falling over. This has the advantage of having the whole, very heavy unit stable and easy to move around ? believe me having spent years lugging my unit around during the rebuild, this would have been a godsend if I had thought of it earlier!

Refitting is a reversal of removal ? yeah, how often have you heard that?! Well, it?s basically true, but, when offering the unit up, you will have difficulty aligning the four mounting with the holes in the cradle. This is where the lever comes in. The lever is a length of steel bar, with two prongs welded to it, which fit into the two holes on each mounting through which no bolts pass. It?s easier to see on the picture:

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It fits like this:

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This allows you to manipulate the mounts and steer them as you insert the studs and bolts to the mountings. Don?t tighten any bolts until all are through the cradle and mountings. Use screwdrivers and awls to assist the manipulation of the mountings to align the holes for bolt insertion. Once all bolts are in, tighten them ? a ratchet spanner is useful here, as is a socket set- preferably 3/8 inch or 1/4 inch drive.

With all bolts tight, reconnect the brakes, handbrake and prop shaft. When fitting the radius arm cups, make sure they are clean of rust and paint and lubricate with anti-seize grease as well as you can to prevent corrosion in future. Also make sure the cups under the car are smooth and free from corrosion.

I hope someone finds this usefull - any suggestions to make life even easier?

Regards,

Simon
Regards,

Simon
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Post by ChrisC » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:12 pm

Thanks for this Simon.

The Jack adapter plate is an interesting idea - but what stops it tipping off the jack with the weight of the IRS?
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Post by vee12eman » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:26 pm

Hi Chris,

The jack pad replaces the original pad and uses the bolt which secured it to the jack to hold it in place. My jack actually has a fairly large bolt and one of the challenges was to make a pad with a hole large enough - something like 20mm, which I actually created by chain drilling the plate and filing to fit - took a while but well worth it. Anyway, it can rotate, just as the original pad would (you can see the original pad next to the jack in the picture showing the pad fitted to the jack - the shiny circular object in the middle of the pad is actually the securing bolt, which has an allen bolt socket) and once the IRS is secured to the pad and the pad is secured to the jack, it is all one unit and very stable. You might have to choose a jack carefully to allow removal of the pad, but most I have seen or owned have a removable pad of some sort - you just need a bolt to secure the pad to the jack.

Incidentally, my aluminium "race jack" seen in the pictures is actually a good quality unit bought from Costco in the UK. I have seen them in Costco Australia since arriving, but as I am no longer a member, I don't know whether they still sell them, or whether the UK stores still have them. The price was less than half the cost I have seen other near identical units for sale and it is very stable with a low approach - exactly what is needed.

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Post by MarekH » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:47 pm

This is all very technical, but no special tools or assistants are needed. I simply used a car jack, a large number of old parquet blocks and a trolley.

The car simply needs the rear end jacked high enough to remove the rear wheels. The rear end should stay securely on axle stands at that height, which can be placed along the cross beam box sections, close to the radius arm mounts, with a secondary "fail safe" so the car can't drop anywhere.

The parquet blocks, if you have enough of them, can be arranged to safely hold the IRS at any height.

The jack lets you lower the height of one side by one block at a time so the IRS can only ever move by less than 1cm at a time. The jack only ever supports half the weight of the IRS.

Eventually, the IRS can be dropped low enough to sit on a trolley and be wheeled out of the side of the rear wheel well.

The only thing to take note of is that the centre of gravity is about 10cms forward of the middle line of the cage.

Installation is the reverse procedure, but with two cage mounts on the car and two cage mounts on the IRS. Use a pry bar to line up the holes for the bolts and keep it supported until the wheels go back on.

Just take your time and never sit yourself underneath the car.

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Post by christopher storey » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:35 pm

As Marek says , the CG of the IRS is rather forward of where you expect it to be. The effect of this is a VERY noticeable tendency for the whole IRS to topple forwards once it is released . Thus, unless you have it securely fastened to the jack, which is extremely difficult to do, the best thing to do is to place the jack pad under the unit about 4 or 5 inches ( 100 - 125mm) forward of the centre point of the IRS unit,(roughly speaking , 4 or 5 inches forward of the wheel centres) at which point it is fairly stable about both axes

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Post by vee12eman » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:52 am

Hi Marek, Chris,

I agree I went to a lot of effort to make tools and that I also don?t follow the normally accepted view of fitting two mounts to the car and two to the IRS, I tried that and found my method suited me better.

With my jack pad I don?t have to worry about the IRS balance, it is securely bolted to my jack. Because of the size of the pad, it is far more stable than a simple trolley jack with the normal size of pad (as seen in one of the photos, as mentioned, the bolting of the unit to the plate adds certainty ? even without the securing bolts it is pretty steady and you can move the pad forward to the centre line of the IRS ? it is very useful to know where this is by the way.

I have moved on from the idea of balancing large heavy items on bits of wood (except where they are designed for the job), this is partly because of work experience where we had trolleys and adapters for everything and partly because of an experience years ago when an engine, balanced seemingly very solidly on my bench on blocks of wood, decided to fall off. Fortunately it was only a small, 3 cylinder engine out of my daughters Suzuki Cappuccino and the only damage was to my pride, the engine coil on which it landed and my wallet when I had to buy her a new coil!

Since then I devise methods such as the one described if possible and, whilst others have their own preferred method, I point out that once the IRS is bolted to the jack as described, it is supported throughout the process, is guaranteed to be square, will not fall forward, backwards or sideways, can be lowered in one operation, without any need to place extra supports underneath and is already on a wheeled trolley for both removal and subsequent movement around the workshop. The job is actually easy.

I made this tool for one fitting of the IRS and it was worth it just for that, since then I have removed and refitted the unit 3 times for various reasons, none of which were predicted, so I am extremely glad I chose this method, as I say though, this is only my own idea and I just thought I would put it and a few other ideas together to potentially help others, since there have been several mentions of the need, difficulty and danger of removing the unit ? I believe I have overcome much of this.

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Post by stef » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:02 am

I had plenty of practice with the SIII XJ.

Drive the front up onto ramps, lift the rear up onto 2 sets of axle stands and make sure it's secure. Take the wheels off and put under car for extra safety.

Then a block of wood under the diff plate and the jack under that. First time I got the balance wrong and the diff fell forwards when I lowered it, but practice makes perfect. The higher you can have the car the easier to drag the cage out from under the car.

Even when you get the balance right, it's nice yo have a helper stabilize it though.
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