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#1 Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by MLBS3V12 » Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:25 am

Disapointed this morning,

After a purchase to Martin Robey, I've got several bad issues
1) I did received a package for a guy in Germany and he got mine.... We have had to switch the 2 packages to get our spare parts. Not any help from the seller!.....
2) I ve received this morning an import invoice from the carrier. I've not only paid for the carrier to Martin Robey, I've now to paid another layers of fees including administrative one, the VAT and import tarif. Finally my purchase has increased with 68% !! :banghead: :cussing:

Lucky me, I'm close from the end of the restauration.
Le chemin sera long!...

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#2 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by abowie » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:14 am

Sound like your problem stems from Robey rather than Brexit.
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#3 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by Joes66 » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:57 am

Not sure why its got anything to do with Brexit
Simple answer don't buy anything from the EU
I've stopped getting anything from there
Just buy from the uk or the usa now
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#4 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by mgcjag » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:49 am

Hi Joe...the original poster is in France buying from tne UK
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#5 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by cactusman » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:13 am

Joe....the original poster is in France....it has a lot to do with Brexit....It has nothing to do with Robeys.....there has been much in the press here in the UK where people have been hit with VAT, customs and admin charges when they bought bike parts and hand bags etc. from the EU....I'd imagine the same applies the other way sending parts from the UK to Europe...some European suppliers are no longer sending to the UK for the moment due to the extra admin costs and the aggravation they get from customers who suddenly find themselves liable for customs and VAT costs on top of the original purchase price.....I would imagine some UK suppliers may decide it isn't worth it either...
Things may change but anyone buying from the EU can expect to receive notification from the courier that the item will only be delivered once the various charges have been paid....and it can add considerably to the cost....
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#6 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by ALAN COCHRANE » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:07 am

The additional costs post Brexit do not seem to be uniformly applied. My wife has just bought a new ski jacket from France and there were no extra charges levied.
Buying anything from the USA valued at more than $15 will mean VAT charges being added at UK customs, so it's not just Brexit. The seller has to declare the value of the goods on the parcel.
I bought a broken Lucas 2SJ washer pump from the US and ended up paying more in p&p and VAT than the selling price.
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#7 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by PeterCrespin » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:02 am

cactusman wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:13 am
Joe....the original poster is in France....it has a lot to do with Brexit....It has nothing to do with Robeys...some European suppliers are no longer sending to the UK for the moment due to the extra admin costs and the aggravation they get from customers who suddenly find themselves liable for customs and VAT costs on top of the original purchase price.....I would imagine some UK suppliers may decide it isn't worth it either...
Things may change but anyone buying from the EU can expect to receive notification from the courier that the item will only be delivered once the various charges have been paid....and it can add considerably to the cost....
So the people promising ‘an oven-ready deal’ meant they were about to cook your goose, and Joe’s solution is to go vegan..
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#8 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by malcolm » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:45 am

But it was never about the money for those who voted Brexit. I think we all knew it would cost us - although probably not much in the long term. It's like the people voting for Scottish independence. None of them can seriously believe the claims from the SNP about how great financially it will be. As with Brexit, It's more about principle and self-governance. Lets just hope the self-governance bit works out.
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#9 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by Joes66 » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:46 am

Ahh I dident realise he was in france
Sorry about that
From what i can see its tariff free if made in country of origin uk
If it was imported from outside the UK and then sold on into the eu then thats when you can get a tariff

I agree its a shame because I know the uk wanted a free trade deal but the eu dident want to play ball
So as usual its the eussr at its usual protectionist best
Just as we have seen over the vaccine scandal
Thank god we have left and all the lives brexit has saved
Good news is the government announced this morning we are applying on Monday to the trade block with Australia,Japan,Canada etc
And Give it time and let's hope we get a free trade deal with the usa
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#10 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by Kevbo » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:13 pm

Brexit has put additional red tape and costs on trade between UK & rest of the EU in addition to initiating other political impediments for the UK (eg Scottish Indepndance). We're a third country now so this additional friction & cost was predictable in the event of us leaving the Single Market and Customs Union.

On the vaccine front we could still have gone our own way and remained a member state. It's incorrect to suggest otherwise. Also I'd be cautious about believing some of the spin in the UK newspapers.

Back to the topic, I'd have thought customers shouldn't be charged VAT twice ie once when purchasing from the UK and second when received via customs But, import tariff may still be payable.
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#11 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by mgcjag » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:47 pm

Hi All.....lets not get too heavy in the Brexit and vaccine discussions here please we are an E type forum......ok it its affecting your E type parts delivery .......If you must discuss it then post in the Pub chat area.....thanks..Steve (forum Moderator)
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#12 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by 288gto » Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:20 pm

I think this is where Julian Barratt has been very astute opening branches in France, Germany, The Netherlands and the USA. Similarly Moss Europe purchasing XKs Unlimited in the States.
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#13 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by rfs1957 » Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:11 pm

Amongst the nonsense, and not letting the facts of the original post get in the way of a good story, how about a reality check.

Robeys sent two parcels to the wrong customers, switched.

That is their problem and they should pick up the cost.

Nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit, and the shipping between France and Germany is unchanged.

What is new is that all exports from the UK will now be without VAT, even to non-VAT registered individuals in Europe.

This was always the case for VAT registered businesses.

So, with apologies for the mathematical inaccuracy, the price of parts leaving the UK just got cheaper by 20% (actually by one sixth) for European retail customers.

When they arrive in the EU, however, VAT is owed on them within the country they are delivered to.

In France, for example, our VAT/TVA is 20%, so the price of the imported part simply goes back up to what it used to be, unchanged.

This is not a trade tax, or a tariff, it’s VAT.

Brexit has made not one iota of difference.

HOWEVER, and it’s a BIG however, the problem is that -

1. Shippers like FedEx appear to have decided to increase the cost of the shipping, in SNGBs case this has gone from £16 to £25 on equivalent recent despatches, AND

2. when FedEx deliver, they are charging an extra 16€ to COLLECT the TVA from the final customer, ON TOP of the VAT itself.

There are two solutions.

Julian says that French customers will be able to pay the French TVA at the same time that they order and pay for the parts, and this will apply to other EU countries, on the SNGB web site, and then - unbelievably, but confirmed by similar information sent to me by the French Colissimo operation - SNGB will pay that TVA to the French, or other EU, government.

French shippers using Colissimo will have an account with the UK government and pay the UK VAT on the stuff they ship the other way

The other solution for EU residents will be to order via their national SNGB site, like the French one in our case, at the same price as the UK site, accept a longer delivery time (Macon gets two deliveries a week), and then only pay the French delivery cost, ie delivery within France.

Thus the parts will actually end up costing less.

Whilst I concur that this will be a royal shit-storm to begin with, all these details will just be a few lines of code in various algorithms and back-office stuff, and my prediction is that in six months time we’ll wonder what all the fuss was about.

PS if this is Judged politically sensitive, perhaps a moderator would remove what follows, but FWIIW, whilst you would never know this from reading the French press, almost everyone I know on the ground (and have been here 40 years) has a massive amount of sympathy for the reasoning, correct or otherwise, that led the British to vote to leave.
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#14 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by Heuer » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:27 pm

:yeahthat: :thankyouyellow:
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#15 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by wagstefan » Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:05 am

Kevbo wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:13 pm
Brexit has put additional red tape and costs on trade between UK & rest of the EU in addition to initiating other political impediments for the UK (eg Scottish Indepndance). We're a third country now so this additional friction & cost was predictable in the event of us leaving the Single Market and Customs Union.

On the vaccine front we could still have gone our own way and remained a member state. It's incorrect to suggest otherwise. Also I'd be cautious about believing some of the spin in the UK newspapers.

Back to the topic, I'd have thought customers shouldn't be charged VAT twice ie once when purchasing from the UK and second when received via customs But, import tariff may still be payable.
Thank you for your post! Not liking this tendency: bad EU, good UK - this just this doen't make sense. There have been reasons on both sides and at the end it was a democratic decision. And now we are sadly confronted with a lot of populismn and personal interests.

And now the connect to the E-Type topic: it makes things much more complicated and it will impact visits, parts exchange, commerce, etc. I regret this situation but we need to find a way to keep our cars going and still remain connected....

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#16 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by wagstefan » Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:26 am

rfs1957 wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:11 pm
Amongst the nonsense, and not letting the facts of the original post get in the way of a good story, how about a reality check.

Robeys sent two parcels to the wrong customers, switched.

That is their problem and they should pick up the cost.

Nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit, and the shipping between France and Germany is unchanged.

What is new is that all exports from the UK will now be without VAT, even to non-VAT registered individuals in Europe.

This was always the case for VAT registered businesses.

So, with apologies for the mathematical inaccuracy, the price of parts leaving the UK just got cheaper by 20% (actually by one sixth) for European retail customers.

When they arrive in the EU, however, VAT is owed on them within the country they are delivered to.

In France, for example, our VAT/TVA is 20%, so the price of the imported part simply goes back up to what it used to be, unchanged.

This is not a trade tax, or a tariff, it’s VAT.

Brexit has made not one iota of difference.

HOWEVER, and it’s a BIG however, the problem is that -

1. Shippers like FedEx appear to have decided to increase the cost of the shipping, in SNGBs case this has gone from £16 to £25 on equivalent recent despatches, AND

2. when FedEx deliver, they are charging an extra 16€ to COLLECT the TVA from the final customer, ON TOP of the VAT itself.

There are two solutions.

Julian says that French customers will be able to pay the French TVA at the same time that they order and pay for the parts, and this will apply to other EU countries, on the SNGB web site, and then - unbelievably, but confirmed by similar information sent to me by the French Colissimo operation - SNGB will pay that TVA to the French, or other EU, government.

French shippers using Colissimo will have an account with the UK government and pay the UK VAT on the stuff they ship the other way

The other solution for EU residents will be to order via their national SNGB site, like the French one in our case, at the same price as the UK site, accept a longer delivery time (Macon gets two deliveries a week), and then only pay the French delivery cost, ie delivery within France.

Thus the parts will actually end up costing less.

Whilst I concur that this will be a royal shit-storm to begin with, all these details will just be a few lines of code in various algorithms and back-office stuff, and my prediction is that in six months time we’ll wonder what all the fuss was about.

PS if this is Judged politically sensitive, perhaps a moderator would remove what follows, but FWIIW, whilst you would never know this from reading the French press, almost everyone I know on the ground (and have been here 40 years) has a massive amount of sympathy for the reasoning, correct or otherwise, that led the British to vote to leave.
Agree in most of the aspects:

1.) to my knowledge: privat sales will increase in cost as different to before, local VAT (of the receiving origin) will apply)
2.) I am not a fan of the Brexit, but this is my personal preference and I am outsider anyway. As said before, it was a democratic decision which has to be followed no matter what happens. The only thing I'd like to comment on is don't let this split the society as it happened with Trump in the US

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#17 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by Heuer » Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:38 pm

wagstefan wrote:
Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:26 am
The only thing I'd like to comment on is don't let this split the society as it happened with Trump in the US
Tell that to Ursula von der Leyen! :lol:
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#18 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by malcolm » Wed Feb 03, 2021 1:24 pm

:yeahthat:
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#19 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by ysmalkie » Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:22 pm

Yes, shipping from UK to EU got messy.

I have shipped a box of SNG worth 350 GBP and paid about 70GBP of DHL duties & customs fees.
I promised myself never to do it again.

Thankfully, SNG has the Netherlands branch - you can ask them to ship it there 1st and then to EU. It takes 1 week extra, but you do not have to work with customs tariff codes and answer silly questions like what material is a washer pump made of or what's the power (in kW) of a washer pump motor.

I am in the middle of 2 shipments from BAS and another company and I have got to say that what took 4 days to Poland now takes 2 weeks.

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#20 Re: Bad experience with the Brexit

Post by Joes66 » Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:10 pm

Lol Tadek
Doom and gloom
Times change
Stop moaning
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